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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    lettosprey@tech.lgbtL This user is from outside of this forum
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    lettosprey@tech.lgbt
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #111

    @Em0nM4stodon tnx to Trump, things have gotten better. He sorta highlighted how bad it could get.

    But AI messed it up cause everyone needs Claude 😞

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      linguistgoneforeign@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
      linguistgoneforeign@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
      linguistgoneforeign@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #112

      @Em0nM4stodon

      Not really. Europe has realized their massive digital dependency from the US too late and now the plan is basically: "let's keep licking Trump's balls and hope he doesn't cut us off".

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        gtbray@allovertheplace.caG This user is from outside of this forum
        gtbray@allovertheplace.caG This user is from outside of this forum
        gtbray@allovertheplace.ca
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #113

        @Em0nM4stodon all i can say to that question is that when i was working and it was in the banking industry all of this had been thought of and that was years ago. it's why all our cloud hosting was done outside the us.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

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          sirmars@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #114

          @FreakyFwoof @Em0nM4stodon lol. If the EU keeps this up, no tech company will wanna sell there either. P.S. Joking don't worry. would never happen.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            erisceleste@tech.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
            erisceleste@tech.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
            erisceleste@tech.lgbt
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #115

            @Em0nM4stodon complacency has a great record of success (so far)

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              oyu_fka@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
              oyu_fka@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
              oyu_fka@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #116

              @Em0nM4stodon We're safe here in the UK, as our government will happily cave in to any demand from the trump clown circus, (aka the administration).

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                freya@social.highenergymagic.netF This user is from outside of this forum
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                freya@social.highenergymagic.net
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #117

                @Em0nM4stodon no. my country would be *fucked*. NZ exists entirely on O365, AWS, and Google apps. Why? Because NZ is terrified, legitimately fearful in some ways, of the idea of running servers onsite

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  mink_stole@kolektiva.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mink_stole@kolektiva.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mink_stole@kolektiva.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #118

                  @Em0nM4stodon successfully migrated our UK based workers' co-op from Google Workspace to Infomaniak's ksuite (Swiss based) earlier this year and we're much happier (plus our bill is waaay lower). The ksuite also replaces Slack and Zoom, so more services for less money and all encrypted.
                  Our website is hosted independently in the UK. Newsletter is with EmailOctopus, a UK company.
                  Won't be sad if we lose Instagram tbh.
                  I guess we might be impacted indirectly if payment processors like PayPal and Stripe go down but we could find a work around.
                  Of course, these are all small business solutions and should be separated from personal or activist ones.

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                  • guigsy@mstdn.socialG guigsy@mstdn.social

                    @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon Stored in the EU provides almost zero protection. Your cloud is still run by a US company that WILL comply with US orders to exfiltrate your data and/or turn off the access.

                    oyu_fka@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                    oyu_fka@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #119

                    @guigsy @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon You just saved me pointing that out, lol!

                    Even if the EU/EC provided that protection, could you trust *them* not to pull a similar stunt on a member state?

                    Or as is already happening in germany where total sanctioning of the individual, (including family members), is carried out, all with the complicit help of the EU/EC.

                    We should all look closer to home for fascism rearing it's head imho.

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                    • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

                      @Em0nM4stodon

                      I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

                      - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
                      - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
                      - Emergency services and banks - don't know

                      The whole country would be screwed

                      You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

                      rickd_card@socialbc.caR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      rickd_card@socialbc.ca
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #120

                      @cmsdengl @Em0nM4stodon
                      And SWIFT payments.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        bzdev@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bzdev@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bzdev@fosstodon.org
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #121

                        @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

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                        • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                          @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

                          me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          me@social.jlamothe.net
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #122

                          @bzdev @Em0nM4stodon The thing that worries me the most about this is how much of the internet's backbone infrastructure is controlled by the US. The 13 root servers that bootstrap the DNS system that the whole modern internet depends on are all located in the US.

                          It's a bigger problem than most people realise.

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            negative12dollarbill@techhub.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #123

                            @Em0nM4stodon My workplace would fall apart completely if either Google or Microsoft went away. Billion-dollar corporation in Australia.

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              hydro_salmon@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                              hydro_salmon@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #124

                              @Em0nM4stodon

                              Maybe this would be a good thing, to give people the push they need to stop using those and move to better alternatives.

                              In my personal life, I don't depend on any of those. But I would be impacted as my employer depend on those. At the same time, I see more job opportunities outside the US if this ever happens.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                drewph@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
                                drewph@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
                                drewph@c.im
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #125

                                @Em0nM4stodon
                                My adopted country (Philippines) would die on its arse. Google is everywhere in large companies, Facebook is everywhere in small companies. Microsoft probably less of a problem because almost every copy of Windows and Office is almost certainly pirated.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  andykotlarz@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  andykotlarz@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  andykotlarz@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #126

                                  @Em0nM4stodon
                                  Actually, it's more than just a Windows and Google thing - it's about AI. If Artificial Intelligence starts getting out of control and starts heading down Terminator Road, one of the first defenses would be to shut down the internet world-wide.
                                  Alternatively, if AI goes rogue one of its first actions against humanity would be to shut down the internet.
                                  Either way, it doesn't look good . . .

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                                  • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                                    @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

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                                    1sxteenthdane@mstdn.dk
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #127

                                    @bzdev @Em0nM4stodon I'm just a user in the U.S. and am actively moving to Linux, proton mail, Vivaldi and a Google free phone. Also considering Orange for web hosting. I don't know if it will mitigate any trouble but am comfortable with the choices. To me, the two big questions are, what happens to these hyperscalers when the bubble bursts? and what happens if the Trump and his bros cut internet access to hold power?

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                                    • mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM mast0d0nphan@beige.party

                                      @Em0nM4stodon Say it with me now:

                                      The cloud is someone else's computer.

                                      nieuemma@mastodon.deN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      nieuemma@mastodon.de
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #128

                                      @mast0d0nphan @Em0nM4stodon I thought clouds formed from evaporation and condensation and stuff. Isn't water bad for computers?

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                                      • me@social.jlamothe.netM me@social.jlamothe.net
                                        @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
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                                        dfs_comedy@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #129

                                        @me @Em0nM4stodon

                                        Yes, I noted that in my post.

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

                                          phil_stevens@mastodon.nzP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          phil_stevens@mastodon.nz
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #130

                                          @Em0nM4stodon Don't forget to include Starlink in your list.

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