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  • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

    @Li @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

    Every time your modem connects to an isp, your isp assigns your modem an ipv6 address from its allottment. The modem will reconnect after a power failure or reboot, so you might not get the same address again.

    Not really a problem if you also have a server at a hosting facility, since you can host a link there, and update it when your local ip changes, same as a dynamic dns service.

    These are solved problems, have been for decades.

    No need to involve either IANA or ICANN. You're operating independent of both of them.

    I'm really surprised that nobody connected with the affected organisation didn't try this. They had a whole month.

    My guess is they don't have any old farts who were doing these things to host web servers from home way back when.

    It solves some other problems too - like space for videos. I could host 10s of terabytes of video at home, and there's no monthly storage fee. On a hosting account that gets crazy expensive.

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    #51

    @barbra @Li @anneroth @cavallette If A/I had tried this sort of thing, the Internet providers would've refused to keep them as clients.

    Also, your "free" 10 TB of storage at home isn't free for folks who need to buy their disks and replacements when they fail, pay their electricity bills, account for their additional time managing their home server, etc.

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    • D david42@mastodon.online

      @barbra @Li @anneroth @cavallette If A/I had tried this sort of thing, the Internet providers would've refused to keep them as clients.

      Also, your "free" 10 TB of storage at home isn't free for folks who need to buy their disks and replacements when they fail, pay their electricity bills, account for their additional time managing their home server, etc.

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      #52

      @barbra @Li @anneroth @cavallette Moreover, the A/I statement about shutting down didn't say they were out of technical options to keep services up. It said that A/I keeping things up would make their clients the next targets. None of the technical approaches you are bringing up would address that problem.

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      • D david42@mastodon.online

        @barbra @Li @anneroth @cavallette Moreover, the A/I statement about shutting down didn't say they were out of technical options to keep services up. It said that A/I keeping things up would make their clients the next targets. None of the technical approaches you are bringing up would address that problem.

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        #53

        @david42 @barbra @anneroth @cavallette this very much feels like a 'technical solutions to a social problem' situation..

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        • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

          @david42 @barbra @anneroth @cavallette this very much feels like a 'technical solutions to a social problem' situation..

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          #54

          @Li @david42 @barbra @anneroth @cavallette

          It said that A/I keeping things up would make their clients the next targets.

          if so then what would be so wrong with simply making that clear so people can include it in their threat models. this is not a valid reason to shut everything down, and likely indeed not their actual reason

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            hsza@social.tudbut.de
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            #55

            @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth that sounds at least a little like cowardice if it’s a foreign state with no actual jurisdiction where you are

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              #56

              @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth we should not blame the victims yes but letting them scare you and obeying in advance is doing their job for them which is always disappointing to see

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                #57

                @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth yeah, but isnt this conversation operating under the assumption they could, yknow, resist the pressure, and that that is the right thing to do

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                • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                  @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth yeah, but isnt this conversation operating under the assumption they could, yknow, resist the pressure, and that that is the right thing to do

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                  #58

                  @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth i dont disagree that its the right or better thing to do, and support them if they did do that and such but i also understand if they dont want to put themselves at risk, shit is fucking hard,

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                  • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                    @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth i dont disagree that its the right or better thing to do, and support them if they did do that and such but i also understand if they dont want to put themselves at risk, shit is fucking hard,

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                    hsza@social.tudbut.de
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                    #59

                    @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

                    granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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                    • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                      @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

                      granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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                      #60

                      @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth id say thats the basis of all the power structures, they all expect you not to actually resist, making it easy to "deal to" the few who do resist, bonus points if you can equate "resisting the government" with "bad immoral action" or whatever

                      uh.. anyway, the threat is real regardless so.,,

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                      • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                        @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

                        granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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                        #61

                        @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth anyway try being pissed off at the fascist in this case instead :3

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                        • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                          20,000 mail accounts.
                          20,000 blogs.
                          5,000 mailing lists.
                          1,500 websites.

                          In Europe.

                          Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

                          Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

                          It is astonishingly quiet.

                          ⁨#Autistici⁩

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                          #62

                          @anneroth
                          Dutch newspaper @nrc_nl had a couple of stories on it, written by @Marloezovic . But yeah, it's the exception.
                          @cavallette

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                          • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                            20,000 mail accounts.
                            20,000 blogs.
                            5,000 mailing lists.
                            1,500 websites.

                            In Europe.

                            Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

                            Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

                            It is astonishingly quiet.

                            ⁨#Autistici⁩

                            marloezovic@mastodon.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #63

                            @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                            • djsumdog@djsumdog.comD djsumdog@djsumdog.com
                              What happened? I don't see any articles on this. Did they just lose funding (and if so, why where they funded by the US if they were in the EU anyway?) or did something else happen? You have an article?
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                              #64

                              @djsumdog @cavallette @anneroth I also struggled to find detailed reporting but it seems they may have been removed from top level DNS?

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                              • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                                20,000 mail accounts.
                                20,000 blogs.
                                5,000 mailing lists.
                                1,500 websites.

                                In Europe.

                                Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

                                Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

                                It is astonishingly quiet.

                                ⁨#Autistici⁩

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                                #65

                                @anneroth @cavallette Tell me more.

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                                • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                                  @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                                  #66

                                  @Marloezovic Thanks! I'm afraid my Dutch won't be quite good enough 🙂 (and the website does ask for a subscriber login). But great you're following up!

                                  @cavallette

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                                  • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                                    @Marloezovic Thanks! I'm afraid my Dutch won't be quite good enough 🙂 (and the website does ask for a subscriber login). But great you're following up!

                                    @cavallette

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                                    #67

                                    @anneroth @cavallette I wasn't aware of the login, but it's also on all other platforms

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                                    • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                                      @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                                      #68

                                      @Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette Ik zou het graag willen luisteren maar op de NRC moet je wel een abonnement hebben.

                                      Maar het blijkt wel hier toegangelijk te zijn. Al met een minute reklames in het begin van de podcast.

                                      https://www.radio-nederland.nl/podcasts/nrc-vandaag

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                                      • reinouts@mastodon.greenR reinouts@mastodon.green

                                        @anneroth
                                        Dutch newspaper @nrc_nl had a couple of stories on it, written by @Marloezovic . But yeah, it's the exception.
                                        @cavallette

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                                        #69

                                        @reinouts @anneroth @nrc_nl @Marloezovic @cavallette

                                        Reuters have an article about it.

                                        https://www.reuters.com/technology/italian-tech-collective-shut-down-after-us-terrorist-designation-2026-09-07/

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                                        • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                                          @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette Or get your money out of American banks, stop doing business with American companies, elect governments that refuse to take orders from American autocrats. The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no.

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                                          #70

                                          @su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette How do you get your money out of an American bank when you do not know that you are banking with an American bank?

                                          Or how do you know that your payment systems will be blocked as they, at some point travel through US payment services space?

                                          Your banking app that relies on Android verification services has stopped working as your Google account has been cancelled?

                                          Want to take some cash out of a cash machine? With a VISA or Mastercard card?

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