Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
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@gerrymcgovern Interestingly I read an article in an Austrian newspaper about this topic - and the expert that was interviewed had the view, that one cannot damn AI alltogether because AI "improves the life of billions of people". Which made me wonder: what kind of improvements could this be? Ideas?
https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000323330/ki-rechenzentren-duerften-2030-einen-wasserverbrauch-wie-13-milliarden-menschen-haben -
Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
@gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield ironically, the Chinese are working hard to reverse engineer and distill all the frontier models into open weight models that everyone can run *locally* on high powered laptops, no data centers needed aside from initial distillation. It’s a weird thing to cheer for but I am.
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@gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.
@stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern it’s also made vapid, content free LinkedIn posts much easier to write, so really no one is losing here.
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Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
„Rather, it calls for urgent action to ensure that the technology develops within planetary limits.“
And how is this feasible?
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@gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield ironically, the Chinese are working hard to reverse engineer and distill all the frontier models into open weight models that everyone can run *locally* on high powered laptops, no data centers needed aside from initial distillation. It’s a weird thing to cheer for but I am.
@kumarvibe @gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield
Don't fully understand this toot, but find it encouraging nonetheless. (Is this a sign of personal cognitive decline in my late sixties, out of interest?) #hellishdatacentres -
Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
@gerrymcgovern we are Easter Island
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Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
@gerrymcgovern Humanity is no longer the apex predator, supreme in its domination. Big Tech is. And why more aren't conscious that makes us part of the AI's food chain is beyond me.
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@gerrymcgovern we are Easter Island
@MamaLake It's the elites who are driving this but we are too passive, we must resist much more.
And from what I've read recently about Easter Island, the Indigenous people there managed their resources much better than what was thought. It was later invasions by imperialists that did the real damage.
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@gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.
@stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern As soon as genAI without any doubt improves either democracy or the environment or knowledge equity I will start doubting my own total genAI abstinence. Of course, if that happens, it will become clear that especially in the mid and long term you cannot foster one without the other two.
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@kumarvibe @gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield
Don't fully understand this toot, but find it encouraging nonetheless. (Is this a sign of personal cognitive decline in my late sixties, out of interest?) #hellishdatacentres -
Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
@gerrymcgovern
Can someone please explain to me how data centres will 'consume' so much water? There are plenty of energy intensive industries that have a heat dissipation need. If there's so much energy to dissipate put a fucking big heat exchanger out at sea and think about making them nursaries for fish/coral or something. It seems MAD to keep data centres where shifting the heat means single-use water. Use brine or molten salt or puréed billionaires in a closed loop heat exchanger near a heat sump where heat damage will be containable & acceptable.OR just say, "the price for that much AI is unsustainable. Sorry, but NO!"
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@gerrymcgovern
Can someone please explain to me how data centres will 'consume' so much water? There are plenty of energy intensive industries that have a heat dissipation need. If there's so much energy to dissipate put a fucking big heat exchanger out at sea and think about making them nursaries for fish/coral or something. It seems MAD to keep data centres where shifting the heat means single-use water. Use brine or molten salt or puréed billionaires in a closed loop heat exchanger near a heat sump where heat damage will be containable & acceptable.OR just say, "the price for that much AI is unsustainable. Sorry, but NO!"
@gregalotl Up until a couple of years ago, most data centers didn't even meter their water use because they were getting it so cheap. Evaporation is the cheapest way to cool and they will always go for the cheapest unless they are forced not to. They have total contempt for our environment and for the communities in which they locate.
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@gerrymcgovern
Can someone please explain to me how data centres will 'consume' so much water? There are plenty of energy intensive industries that have a heat dissipation need. If there's so much energy to dissipate put a fucking big heat exchanger out at sea and think about making them nursaries for fish/coral or something. It seems MAD to keep data centres where shifting the heat means single-use water. Use brine or molten salt or puréed billionaires in a closed loop heat exchanger near a heat sump where heat damage will be containable & acceptable.OR just say, "the price for that much AI is unsustainable. Sorry, but NO!"
@gregalotl @gerrymcgovern because capitalists don't care that the factors of their production are also ours. "Does water cool server racks?" X 10000
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@gerrymcgovern
Can someone please explain to me how data centres will 'consume' so much water? There are plenty of energy intensive industries that have a heat dissipation need. If there's so much energy to dissipate put a fucking big heat exchanger out at sea and think about making them nursaries for fish/coral or something. It seems MAD to keep data centres where shifting the heat means single-use water. Use brine or molten salt or puréed billionaires in a closed loop heat exchanger near a heat sump where heat damage will be containable & acceptable.OR just say, "the price for that much AI is unsustainable. Sorry, but NO!"
@gregalotl @gerrymcgovern AI is anti-human.
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@gregalotl Up until a couple of years ago, most data centers didn't even meter their water use because they were getting it so cheap. Evaporation is the cheapest way to cool and they will always go for the cheapest unless they are forced not to. They have total contempt for our environment and for the communities in which they locate.
@gerrymcgovern
OR just say...NO!EU style legislation - freedom, but WITH RESPONSIBILITY
US, run by deluded, selfish zealots
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Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.
In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.
This is AI.
This is Big Tech
These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.
"AI is becoming something much larger. It is becoming one of the most important energy stories of the decade."
So says Big Oil
AI is an energy industry play.
"The scale of demand is extraordinary."
AI is a life destroyer. If you use AI, you are an active participant in the destruction of life--including your own.
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S sebastian@social.itu.dk shared this topic
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@gerrymcgovern
Can someone please explain to me how data centres will 'consume' so much water? There are plenty of energy intensive industries that have a heat dissipation need. If there's so much energy to dissipate put a fucking big heat exchanger out at sea and think about making them nursaries for fish/coral or something. It seems MAD to keep data centres where shifting the heat means single-use water. Use brine or molten salt or puréed billionaires in a closed loop heat exchanger near a heat sump where heat damage will be containable & acceptable.OR just say, "the price for that much AI is unsustainable. Sorry, but NO!"
@gregalotl "out at sea": the ocean life is extremely sensitive to the smallest temperature changes ... but your idea of pureed billionaires has good vibes.
@gerrymcgovern -
"AI is becoming something much larger. It is becoming one of the most important energy stories of the decade."
So says Big Oil
AI is an energy industry play.
"The scale of demand is extraordinary."
AI is a life destroyer. If you use AI, you are an active participant in the destruction of life--including your own.
@gerrymcgovern I would differ between AI and AI, please. These datacenters are mostly for the popular uses of LLMs, GPTs and Diffusion models. This mass crap is the destroyer.
But AI in the form of MLs (Machine learning) is a part of science. We wouldn't have modern climate science, if we had no ML which is part of AI! Would you really want to condemn scientists for doing this work?
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@gerrymcgovern I would differ between AI and AI, please. These datacenters are mostly for the popular uses of LLMs, GPTs and Diffusion models. This mass crap is the destroyer.
But AI in the form of MLs (Machine learning) is a part of science. We wouldn't have modern climate science, if we had no ML which is part of AI! Would you really want to condemn scientists for doing this work?
@NatureMC @gerrymcgovern
I broadly agree. Generative LLMs Vs plain machine learning. -
@gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.
@stephan324ppm We should differ between scientific machine learning and popular genAI.
Example: In our hospital they now have MRT scanners that use much less electricity (these machines use a lot). It is a machine learning (search Wikipedia) program = AI changing it for the good. But that has nothing to do with LLMs or GPTs.
@gerrymcgovern
