remember when TNG established that warp travel is causing space climate change and then the writers proceeded to never mention it again except to say that they're ignoring it?
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien they could've done interesting things with that and then they just didn't
yeah like nobody forced them to write that story, but they did it and then didn't even bother to take advantage of it
in real life problems are a bad thing but for storytelling problems are what gives life to a story
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yeah like nobody forced them to write that story, but they did it and then didn't even bother to take advantage of it
in real life problems are a bad thing but for storytelling problems are what gives life to a story
@SeanAloysiusOBrien they were still so reluctant to have real continuity. ds9 was the only one to be like no, audiences can actually remember things
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien wait what
yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"
and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"
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yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"
and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"
@SeanAloysiusOBrien Incredible storytelling there
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien they were still so reluctant to have real continuity. ds9 was the only one to be like no, audiences can actually remember things
there could have been so many stories borne from this concept!
the federation is shown to be at a disadvantage to their adversaries for following the speed limit
evil admiral wants to abolish the speed limit and causes space disasters
Romulans have a space disaster in their territory becuase they ignore the speed limit and the federation moves in to help
so many possibilities
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien Incredible storytelling there
most people forget about it because it was in s7 (a generally underwhelming season) and an underwhelming episode generally
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there could have been so many stories borne from this concept!
the federation is shown to be at a disadvantage to their adversaries for following the speed limit
evil admiral wants to abolish the speed limit and causes space disasters
Romulans have a space disaster in their territory becuase they ignore the speed limit and the federation moves in to help
so many possibilities
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @Taweret wasn't there a line in early VOY where they explain that's why it does the goofy thing with its nacelles?
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most people forget about it because it was in s7 (a generally underwhelming season) and an underwhelming episode generally
@SeanAloysiusOBrien Sounds like a way to try and raise stakes and get people interested again that didn't work so they just dropped it
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there could have been so many stories borne from this concept!
the federation is shown to be at a disadvantage to their adversaries for following the speed limit
evil admiral wants to abolish the speed limit and causes space disasters
Romulans have a space disaster in their territory becuase they ignore the speed limit and the federation moves in to help
so many possibilities
@SeanAloysiusOBrien stories about everyone trying to come up with a warp alternative and maybe using unscruplous methods or maybe someone does come up with something and its even more dangerous
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien @Taweret wasn't there a line in early VOY where they explain that's why it does the goofy thing with its nacelles?
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien Sounds like a way to try and raise stakes and get people interested again that didn't work so they just dropped it
@coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien
I doubt it was an attempt to raise the stakes. The strength of the format was that the episodes were all one-offs. They knew that.
It wouldn't really raise the stakes anyway. It would just make some numbers smaller.
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@coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien
I doubt it was an attempt to raise the stakes. The strength of the format was that the episodes were all one-offs. They knew that.
It wouldn't really raise the stakes anyway. It would just make some numbers smaller.
@coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien
They were very close to the end of the series, so it would have DS9's responsibility to carry that particular torch.
I wonder if the writing teams talked about it before they made the episode.
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@coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien
They were very close to the end of the series, so it would have DS9's responsibility to carry that particular torch.
I wonder if the writing teams talked about it before they made the episode.
or Voyager
i get different people running a different show not wanting to carry your baggage, but Voyager was mostly the same people who were left at TNG by s7
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or Voyager
i get different people running a different show not wanting to carry your baggage, but Voyager was mostly the same people who were left at TNG by s7
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander
Pfft! Not Voyager's problem! They're just passing through! So long, suckers!
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yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"
and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander
I thought the Burn was the big disaster that resulted from ignoring it and then it turned out to be caused by some space baby. -
yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"
and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander One of the TNG movies has a region of space deeply damage by warp travel, doesn't it?
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander One of the TNG movies has a region of space deeply damage by warp travel, doesn't it?
I don't recall the TNG movies that clearly but I feel like I would remember if they said that explicitly, idk
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I don't recall the TNG movies that clearly but I feel like I would remember if they said that explicitly, idk
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander I'm in a similar boat -- I think I'm conflating the plots of ST: Insurrection and the episode with the Warp 5 speed limit:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(episode)
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@SeanAloysiusOBrien stories about everyone trying to come up with a warp alternative and maybe using unscruplous methods or maybe someone does come up with something and its even more dangerous
@Taweret @SeanAloysiusOBrien Personally I would have loved to see the story of people coming up with a solution that actually works well
