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  3. remember when TNG established that warp travel is causing space climate change and then the writers proceeded to never mention it again except to say that they're ignoring it?

remember when TNG established that warp travel is causing space climate change and then the writers proceeded to never mention it again except to say that they're ignoring it?

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  • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

    @Taweret

    there could have been so many stories borne from this concept!

    the federation is shown to be at a disadvantage to their adversaries for following the speed limit

    evil admiral wants to abolish the speed limit and causes space disasters

    Romulans have a space disaster in their territory becuase they ignore the speed limit and the federation moves in to help

    so many possibilities

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    @SeanAloysiusOBrien stories about everyone trying to come up with a warp alternative and maybe using unscruplous methods or maybe someone does come up with something and its even more dangerous

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    • paladin@tenforward.socialP paladin@tenforward.social

      @SeanAloysiusOBrien @Taweret wasn't there a line in early VOY where they explain that's why it does the goofy thing with its nacelles?

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      @paladin @Taweret

      nope! that's an accompanying lorebook invention never mentioned in the show

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      • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

        @paladin @Taweret

        nope! that's an accompanying lorebook invention never mentioned in the show

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        @paladin @Taweret

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        • coriander@elekk.xyzC coriander@elekk.xyz

          @SeanAloysiusOBrien Sounds like a way to try and raise stakes and get people interested again that didn't work so they just dropped it

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          @coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien

          I doubt it was an attempt to raise the stakes. The strength of the format was that the episodes were all one-offs. They knew that.

          It wouldn't really raise the stakes anyway. It would just make some numbers smaller.

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          • aplundell@timeloop.cafeA aplundell@timeloop.cafe

            @coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien

            I doubt it was an attempt to raise the stakes. The strength of the format was that the episodes were all one-offs. They knew that.

            It wouldn't really raise the stakes anyway. It would just make some numbers smaller.

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            @coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien

            They were very close to the end of the series, so it would have DS9's responsibility to carry that particular torch.

            I wonder if the writing teams talked about it before they made the episode.

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            • aplundell@timeloop.cafeA aplundell@timeloop.cafe

              @coriander @SeanAloysiusOBrien

              They were very close to the end of the series, so it would have DS9's responsibility to carry that particular torch.

              I wonder if the writing teams talked about it before they made the episode.

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              @apLundell @coriander

              or Voyager

              i get different people running a different show not wanting to carry your baggage, but Voyager was mostly the same people who were left at TNG by s7

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              • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

                @apLundell @coriander

                or Voyager

                i get different people running a different show not wanting to carry your baggage, but Voyager was mostly the same people who were left at TNG by s7

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                @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander

                Pfft! Not Voyager's problem! They're just passing through! So long, suckers!

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                • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

                  @coriander

                  yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"

                  and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"

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                  @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander
                  I thought the Burn was the big disaster that resulted from ignoring it and then it turned out to be caused by some space baby.

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                  • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

                    @coriander

                    yeah, they establish that warp travel has cumulative deleterious effects on space and can cause space disasters and at the end of the episode they're all like "wow nothing will ever be the same, we're instituting a warp speed limit of warp 5"

                    and then only mention it a couple times after that episode and even then only to explain "well this is an emergency so obviously we're ignoring the speed limit"

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                    @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander One of the TNG movies has a region of space deeply damage by warp travel, doesn't it?

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                    • unlikelylass@mspsocial.netU unlikelylass@mspsocial.net

                      @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander One of the TNG movies has a region of space deeply damage by warp travel, doesn't it?

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                      @Unlikelylass @coriander

                      I don't recall the TNG movies that clearly but I feel like I would remember if they said that explicitly, idk

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                      • seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.socialS seanaloysiusobrien@tenforward.social

                        @Unlikelylass @coriander

                        I don't recall the TNG movies that clearly but I feel like I would remember if they said that explicitly, idk

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                        @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander I'm in a similar boat -- I think I'm conflating the plots of ST: Insurrection and the episode with the Warp 5 speed limit:

                        https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(episode)

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                        • taweret@timeloop.cafeT taweret@timeloop.cafe

                          @SeanAloysiusOBrien stories about everyone trying to come up with a warp alternative and maybe using unscruplous methods or maybe someone does come up with something and its even more dangerous

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                          @Taweret @SeanAloysiusOBrien Personally I would have loved to see the story of people coming up with a solution that actually works well

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                          • unlikelylass@mspsocial.netU unlikelylass@mspsocial.net

                            @SeanAloysiusOBrien @coriander I'm in a similar boat -- I think I'm conflating the plots of ST: Insurrection and the episode with the Warp 5 speed limit:

                            https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(episode)

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                            @Unlikelylass @coriander

                            yeah the warp 5 speed limit episode is the one I'm discussing in the OP

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