After about twelve hours, the same post had received more than 300 shares and likes on Mastodon, while it had only been shared three times and liked four times on BlueSky.
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A committed female journalist who campaigns for feminism and against BigTech recently had the following interactions for a post/trööt that she posted identically on Mastodon and Bluesky
On Mastodon
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831 likes
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12 BookmarksBut hey, if Elon Musk is a more relevant person for you to talk about, then so be it.
@fedinaut it would be interesting to check her posts to check the topic and the dynamic of interactions.
I wish we didn't need to talk about the richest individual on earth trying to destroy democracies.
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After about twelve hours, the same post had received more than 300 shares and likes on Mastodon, while it had only been shared three times and liked four times on BlueSky.
I'm no social media expert, but it's amazing how reluctant people are to use Mastodon because of its lack of reach and interaction.
If we bring more people here, the Fediverse could become the de facto public square.
https://mastodon.social/@leavex/116127855796326212
@everton137If we bring more people here, the Fediverse could become the de facto public square.
public institutions should switch to the fediverse and leave x behind. this would automatically increase the relevance of the network just like it did with twitter.
but convincing "normal" people to switch to some fediverse platform? i don't think this will work. all those who are still left outside the fediverse are folks who are totally out of their depths when having to choose one fediverse server to create an account for them? those people are totally fine to lecture you for hours on the intrinsic differences of certain car types oder different brands of makeup or breakfast cereal. but when told: "choose on of these servers, create an account and start" they all play dead whining :"what? how .. how should i do this?? i don't understand!?" ... and all the tech journalists join them in their wailing ... -
@fedinaut it would be interesting to check her posts to check the topic and the dynamic of interactions.
I wish we didn't need to talk about the richest individual on earth trying to destroy democracies.
it would be interesting to check her posts to check the topic and the dynamic of interactions.
Interesting, suddenly you want to look into that more closely.
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it would be interesting to check her posts to check the topic and the dynamic of interactions.
Interesting, suddenly you want to look into that more closely.
@fedinaut I didn't get it. Yes, it would be interesting to see one topic that was popular on BlueSky, but not on Mastodon and understand the contrast with the actual case.
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it would be interesting to check her posts to check the topic and the dynamic of interactions.
Interesting, suddenly you want to look into that more closely.
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I will have to learn it. It took me years to understand the FB tricks. But most people from the Belgian shepherd dog community, I know from FB. And sometimes we met in real and said "oh, is that you?"
Probably they have not been criticizing the T-Rump administration and they put more pictures of themwelves (I very seldom do, I don't like my pictures).The unofficial @FediTips can be very helpful in explaining the quirks of the various APIs in the fediverse.
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@MyWoolyMastadon @benroyce @engel @everton137
I don't think you're wrong: like life, the fediverse gives you back what you put into it.
Follow nobody, get nothing.
Spend a little time building you follow lists?
Value and fun ensue.@john @MyWoolyMastadon @benroyce @engel @everton137 very much so. With more people there IS a potential issue of posts “escaping containment” and getting interactions from random people, which may be good or bad depending on who it reaches. THAT can be extremely annoying, and it gets more likely the more people there are
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@john @MyWoolyMastadon @benroyce @engel @everton137 very much so. With more people there IS a potential issue of posts “escaping containment” and getting interactions from random people, which may be good or bad depending on who it reaches. THAT can be extremely annoying, and it gets more likely the more people there are
@oblomov @john @benroyce @engel @everton137
Yep. It's one of the issues with Federated instances. You edit or delete a post but your original thought is captured for the world to see by someone who quoted it. I guess there's other ways to lose control of what you put out there. The bigger Federated space becomes the more likely you'll regret letting your original 3am toot escape.
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@john @MyWoolyMastadon @benroyce @engel @everton137 very much so. With more people there IS a potential issue of posts “escaping containment” and getting interactions from random people, which may be good or bad depending on who it reaches. THAT can be extremely annoying, and it gets more likely the more people there are
@oblomov @john @MyWoolyMastadon @engel @everton137
i would disagree in that what you say is true for something like twitter
but on the fediverse you have controls over who gets to see what
you may say "i just want to post and not worry about followers only" but then you lose the ability to complain about a post "escaping containment"
public is public
nothing in the world gives you the protection of privacy when *you* chose to go public
it's your due diligence to scope what you say up front
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@oblomov @john @MyWoolyMastadon @engel @everton137
i would disagree in that what you say is true for something like twitter
but on the fediverse you have controls over who gets to see what
you may say "i just want to post and not worry about followers only" but then you lose the ability to complain about a post "escaping containment"
public is public
nothing in the world gives you the protection of privacy when *you* chose to go public
it's your due diligence to scope what you say up front
@benroyce @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
Reminds me of the 90s when a big tech firm, IBM maybe, revealed a secure PC system. They claimed that the information on it was inaccessible by anyone but the user. Then a reporter began to take photos of the information on the monitor. The pool of reporters had a good laugh at the unveiling.
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@benroyce @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
Reminds me of the 90s when a big tech firm, IBM maybe, revealed a secure PC system. They claimed that the information on it was inaccessible by anyone but the user. Then a reporter began to take photos of the information on the monitor. The pool of reporters had a good laugh at the unveiling.
@MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
yeah there are these odd voices i hear sometimes on the topic of privacy saying arguments that can be distilled down to "i want to post in public, but i don't want anyone i don't like to see my posts"
so privacy defilements must be fought
but there is nothing, nothing in the world, in the most privacy respecting technological system possibly devised by humanity, that can protect you if *you* choose to say something in public
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@MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
yeah there are these odd voices i hear sometimes on the topic of privacy saying arguments that can be distilled down to "i want to post in public, but i don't want anyone i don't like to see my posts"
so privacy defilements must be fought
but there is nothing, nothing in the world, in the most privacy respecting technological system possibly devised by humanity, that can protect you if *you* choose to say something in public
@benroyce @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137 there is no such thing as privacy on the internet. I guess there never was, we were all posting publicly since 2005 without giving it a second thought.
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@benroyce @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137 there is no such thing as privacy on the internet. I guess there never was, we were all posting publicly since 2005 without giving it a second thought.
@macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
well there is a difference between something like mastodon, where what is public, is public (and always will be)
but in the back there's no slurping your DMs, and linking your private sign up info to your larger identity elsewhere in life, etc
that matters
and there's privacy controls, on what you post, instead of "post it for everyone or fuck you"
there's improvements to be made of course
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After about twelve hours, the same post had received more than 300 shares and likes on Mastodon, while it had only been shared three times and liked four times on BlueSky.
I'm no social media expert, but it's amazing how reluctant people are to use Mastodon because of its lack of reach and interaction.
If we bring more people here, the Fediverse could become the de facto public square.
https://mastodon.social/@leavex/116127855796326212
@everton137 Never make the mistake of interpreting metrics as reach rather than pillory. -
@everton137 Never make the mistake of interpreting metrics as reach rather than pillory.
@growfediverse why can I make this mistake? What if after the mistake I learn the subject as deep as you do?
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@macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
well there is a difference between something like mastodon, where what is public, is public (and always will be)
but in the back there's no slurping your DMs, and linking your private sign up info to your larger identity elsewhere in life, etc
that matters
and there's privacy controls, on what you post, instead of "post it for everyone or fuck you"
there's improvements to be made of course
@benroyce @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137 I liked the concept of G+'s Circles. You can post publicly, or to a Circle, and the members of the Circle can see that post, but no one else - and you can't forward a post if it's to a limited audience.
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@benroyce @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137 I liked the concept of G+'s Circles. You can post publicly, or to a Circle, and the members of the Circle can see that post, but no one else - and you can't forward a post if it's to a limited audience.
@Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
yeah i don't want to imply mastodon is perfect at all
there's lots of areas for improvement, and for good ideas like yours, to take hold
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@everton137
I was on only one social medium. And they threw me out
(I seem not to have been the only one - not liking Trump seems to be an offend). Mastodon was the first European alternative I could find, with some people on it. But I still have to find out how to use it. It is much less intuitive.@CarineMissiaen@mastodon-belgium.be
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@Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
yeah i don't want to imply mastodon is perfect at all
there's lots of areas for improvement, and for good ideas like yours, to take hold
why are you speaking of mastodon specifically?, I wonder. since it's all interconnected with various other Fediverse servers, any privacy guarantees necessarily depend on what other servers guarantee as well.
CC: @Jirikiha@raphus.social @macacator@mastodon.social @MyWoolyMastadon@toot.community @oblomov@sociale.network @john@vyrse.social @engel@mastodon.social @everton137@vivaldi.net
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why are you speaking of mastodon specifically?, I wonder. since it's all interconnected with various other Fediverse servers, any privacy guarantees necessarily depend on what other servers guarantee as well.
CC: @Jirikiha@raphus.social @macacator@mastodon.social @MyWoolyMastadon@toot.community @oblomov@sociale.network @john@vyrse.social @engel@mastodon.social @everton137@vivaldi.net@lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
zero argument
the solution to that as far as i see is a server pact that specifically excludes those servers running software that does not respect a baseline of privacy safeguards that we all agree are mandatory
i mean: truth social is mastodon software
we can't do anything about disrespectful servers except wall them off
we ideally look for technical solutions
but sometimes the only solution is a social choice
