In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder.
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@Ketakater @TritTriton @jon @Vivaldi (too) powerful corporations are a threat to any government. I'm not worried about that part
@WildEnte only as long as there is an actual gouvernment
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@WildEnte only as long as there is an actual gouvernment
@Ketakater the choice of browsers is really not the biggest issue in that scenario
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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Here is the point. Unlike most that have an opinion on this, I have actually built a browser from scratch. Did that with Opera. Realistically we could not do that today. Would require too much resources and take too long. Then we would have to deal with compatibility issues.
There are really only two other alternatives when it comes to code. Use Webkit or Gecko. That would be a larger risk and we would not be any less reliant on Apple or Google.
The way for us to have the most impact is to continue to build based on Chromium. Over time we will be able to have a bigger impact as well.
@jon @Ketakater @Vivaldi Thank you for the reply, appreciated.
While Mozilla's funding is rather non-diverse, wouldn't Gecko still be a notably smaller reliance (more like dependence) on Google? -
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@Ketakater the choice of browsers is really not the biggest issue in that scenario
@WildEnte not in the US, no
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@jon @Ketakater @Vivaldi Thank you for the reply, appreciated.
While Mozilla's funding is rather non-diverse, wouldn't Gecko still be a notably smaller reliance (more like dependence) on Google?I would say that the reliance is just different.
For us we are trying to do the best we can. We evaluated the options available to us and we found Chromium to be the best one for us, where we can make the most difference over time. It was not an easy decision and I would have preferred for us to have our own codebase written from scratch, but that is just not realistic. Every other codebase we had to choose between had risks and we felt Chromium was the least risky, base d on our own experience of writing the code from scratch and our experience competing in the browser market.
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@tanepiper @jon @Vivaldi The Arc team created another browser, Dia. Not sure if they will add features to Arc.
I believe The Browser Company has ceased feature development on Arc, with only security and bug-fixing updates going forward
https://oviyabalan.medium.com/tldr-arc-browsers-future-3d392cc91172
In short, as someone who once waited for Arc eagerly, for them to pull the plug near-immediately in favour of "AI" bullshit is a smack in the face
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
@jon Happy to see this the first thing after I install Vivaldi. I'll see what good Vivaldi brings.
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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Here is the point. Unlike most that have an opinion on this, I have actually built a browser from scratch. Did that with Opera. Realistically we could not do that today. Would require too much resources and take too long. Then we would have to deal with compatibility issues.
There are really only two other alternatives when it comes to code. Use Webkit or Gecko. That would be a larger risk and we would not be any less reliant on Apple or Google.
The way for us to have the most impact is to continue to build based on Chromium. Over time we will be able to have a bigger impact as well.
@jon @Ketakater @Vivaldi the problem with that choice is that when Google developers decide something isn't needed anymore, or shouldn't be supported in the first place (e.g., XSLT, JPEG XL) you are essentially forced to follow through with their decisions. That doesn't really help you make an impact.
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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@jon @Ketakater @Vivaldi the problem with that choice is that when Google developers decide something isn't needed anymore, or shouldn't be supported in the first place (e.g., XSLT, JPEG XL) you are essentially forced to follow through with their decisions. That doesn't really help you make an impact.
It would not matter if we had our own code really. If we support a format that nobody else supports, it is not really helpful. Sites do not use stuff that the main browsers do not support. That is just how things work.
If there is something that Google adds or removes that we think is important to do differently we do. We spend a lot of time on that. Right now we are spending plenty of time keeping Gemini out of Vivaldi, as an example. We also remove a lot of other stuff and we add our own stuff, such as ad and tracker blockers and a lot more.
The most important thing for us is to grow. More people using Vivaldi means we have more power to influence where the Web heads. IMHO that is a good thing.
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It would not matter if we had our own code really. If we support a format that nobody else supports, it is not really helpful. Sites do not use stuff that the main browsers do not support. That is just how things work.
If there is something that Google adds or removes that we think is important to do differently we do. We spend a lot of time on that. Right now we are spending plenty of time keeping Gemini out of Vivaldi, as an example. We also remove a lot of other stuff and we add our own stuff, such as ad and tracker blockers and a lot more.
The most important thing for us is to grow. More people using Vivaldi means we have more power to influence where the Web heads. IMHO that is a good thing.
@jon @Ketakater @Vivaldi it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem though. JPEG XL for example is starting to see some traction thanks to Apple decided to support it anyway and the availability of extensions for Chrome and Firefox to handle it, and now Firefox is finally looking into adding it in main (not just in nightly behind a default-off flag).
Also, since you don't report Vivaldi as such anymore IIRC, how are you going to show that more people are indeed using it?
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In April 1994 I started working on the Opera browser with Geir Iversøy, my co-founder. I worked at Opera for 17 years, leaving it after disagreeing with investors about the way forward. Two years later I co-founded @Vivaldi with Tatsuki Tomita and Anne Stavnes. This was in 2013.
For more than 30 years we have provided alternatives to Big Tech. First with Opera and now with Vivaldi. The focus has always been quite different from our competitors. More features, more privacy, more flexibility. Lately it has also meant the choice to avoid things like Crypto and Blockchain, avoid integrating AI and avoid integrating surveillance. This is not given. Most of our competitors are building in one or more of the above.
If you like what we are doing and our stand, feel free to download Vivaldi. If you are already with us, please tell your friends.
#Vivaldi #EU #Europa #Technology #Browser #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #IOS #Automotive #Computer
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I think that is unlikely. Having built a browser from scratch, I do not see it as likely that a small project can be competitive enough. I would love to be wrong on that one, but we cannot bet the company on something like that.
