Ah, Germany… once a nation of genocide, always a nation of genocide, apparently.
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@delta_fsociety @bbacc @aral Are you saying that a) all islamic countries work the same, i.e. Palestine=Iran, that b) it is acceptable to kill children and other civilians in the presence of military combatants and infrastructure, and that c) Israel's actions in Gaza are always carefully chosen to target the military?
I'm trying to make sense of your argument here because it seems quite beside the point.
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hating on corrupted and aggressive theocracy is something we can do together. I am sorry you live under islamic regime. I wish iranian people can be free one day, exactely as I wish palestinian people can be free as well; and not under hamas armed groups but under a civil government.
in the west there has been an anti-iran rethoric for years now, trying to depict iranian people and muslims in general as threatening.
I don't buy that. I hate (all) governments, I know people are different.
And to say that all children dead are a result of a strategy it's too much...israel is targeting all people, even people looking for bread and water.
we can't defend that, regardless of which government does it.
people have to unite against fascism and military violence@bbacc @aral im not denying that civilians died over this war nor defending it, all Im trying to say is that it’s not purely on Israel if you use ur own civilians as a human shield while you know your actions ( hiding among civilian areas ) would result in getting them killed, isn’t your job to protect them?
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Ah, Germany… once a nation of genocide, always a nation of genocide, apparently.
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@aral I wonder whether Germany’s decision is influenced by pressure from the United States or Israel, and, if so, what form that pressure might take. Germany is a major arms supplier to Israel, so it has a direct interest in resisting this case. It’s complicity especially continuing to supply weapon or failing to act to prevent genocide following the ICJ interim ruling is also certain. Its position may also reflect broader strategic concerns, including its relationship with Israel and security fears linked to Russia. Who knows.
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@bbacc @aral im not denying that civilians died over this war nor defending it, all Im trying to say is that it’s not purely on Israel if you use ur own civilians as a human shield while you know your actions ( hiding among civilian areas ) would result in getting them killed, isn’t your job to protect them?
@delta_fsociety isn't it convenient to think all people were human shield?
israel has been actively occupying lands and pushing palestinians away since the beginning. now they are also occupying again the west bank. it is in israel's interest that people either die or go away. it is nobody else's interest.they want palestinian people (all people) to either die or live in fear. they target everyone.
everytime they bomb a hospital they say "hamas was hiding there". very convenient for them, but nobody actually believes it.
and even if it were true (which is not); even if 10 armed people from hamas were hiding in a hospital, would you bomb an entire hospital with sick people, pregnant women, old people, kids? it's a war crime.
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@bbacc @aral innocent arabs live peacefully in Israel, this seems innocent to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
People who kill gay people, prise a book that commands them to hit their wifes and if the spotted a blasphemous person kill them at sight is innocent to you? Or yall just brainwashed by the Palestine-Islam propaganda?@delta_fsociety live pracfully in Israel. Org you’re hilarious. Clearly you’re not an Israeli but I’m sure you’ll visit for the first execution of a Palestinian if Ben Gvir gets away with his plan.
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@delta_fsociety isn't it convenient to think all people were human shield?
israel has been actively occupying lands and pushing palestinians away since the beginning. now they are also occupying again the west bank. it is in israel's interest that people either die or go away. it is nobody else's interest.they want palestinian people (all people) to either die or live in fear. they target everyone.
everytime they bomb a hospital they say "hamas was hiding there". very convenient for them, but nobody actually believes it.
and even if it were true (which is not); even if 10 armed people from hamas were hiding in a hospital, would you bomb an entire hospital with sick people, pregnant women, old people, kids? it's a war crime.
@bbacc @aral let’s say that Isreal is a ugly Mosnter that kills everyone to achieve what they want, why would the Palestinian militia who knows this fact hide on a hospital? That’s my main question, I’m not defending anyone here…
Alltho the Palestine did started this war, they lost and they are playing the victim card… while they could make a peace agreement with isreal at the time, make a real government, respect the boarders and save thousands of lives
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@delta_fsociety live pracfully in Israel. Org you’re hilarious. Clearly you’re not an Israeli but I’m sure you’ll visit for the first execution of a Palestinian if Ben Gvir gets away with his plan.
@oatmeal actually my passport doesn’t let me even go anywhere near Isreal, but Palestinians sometimes come here to study ( for islamic related schools) ( other than the fact that their militia is at least 80% founded by IRGC and they have relations here and the word could spread easily ) and I hear what they say, and I know the fact that Lot of them came here directly from isreal and they go back ti visit their families and they are totally ok living their normal lives
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@oatmeal actually my passport doesn’t let me even go anywhere near Isreal, but Palestinians sometimes come here to study ( for islamic related schools) ( other than the fact that their militia is at least 80% founded by IRGC and they have relations here and the word could spread easily ) and I hear what they say, and I know the fact that Lot of them came here directly from isreal and they go back ti visit their families and they are totally ok living their normal lives
@delta_fsociety well as an Israeli I can tell you you’re clueless. Sorry to be blunt but you have no idea what’s it like to be a Palestinian living in Israel-Palestine.
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@aral how is it a genocide if their population is growing by almost 2% ?, stop using the word genocide to justify your anti-Jew desires
How did they count the population? Did they look below the ruins ?
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@messaroundmarx I get your point and agree. However, all the linguistic nitpicking I’m seeing on this subject does feel rather on the nose when weighed against the gravity of a freaking live-streamed genocide that is being actively aided and abetted by our states and our nation-states. Of course “not all” anyone on anything. But you also cannot deny that Germany is fucked up in a very unique way on this issue.
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Of course, I get your point, the inconsistencies in parts of the German left concerning Zionism, not to speak of the inconceivable, shameless "Staatsraison".
However, I'm an ardent warrior against the nations myth, because it's still so efficacious, after all the evil which it has already brought to humanity. I don't like to see people depicted by their nationality. I don't care, if Germany gets fucked up, it deserves to disappear from the map. I only care about the people living here. -
@delta_fsociety @bbacc @aral Let me get this straight. Military A personnel mingles with civilians. Military B kills military A personnel and civilians. Your conclusion is then: Military A is responsible for the death of the civilians, not military B?
Do you see no responsibility for military B to avoid killing civilians? There are international laws about that, you know?
The Israeli military assigns numbers to people they accuse of being Hamas, namely how many civilian deaths they deem okay for killing that one person. When they are relatively sure that they can kill that military person with fewer civilian deaths, they do. Is that something you support?
Furthermore, they do other stuff like double strikes, killing journalists, and they have a department to find dirt on the dead.
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@delta_fsociety isn't it convenient to think all people were human shield?
israel has been actively occupying lands and pushing palestinians away since the beginning. now they are also occupying again the west bank. it is in israel's interest that people either die or go away. it is nobody else's interest.they want palestinian people (all people) to either die or live in fear. they target everyone.
everytime they bomb a hospital they say "hamas was hiding there". very convenient for them, but nobody actually believes it.
and even if it were true (which is not); even if 10 armed people from hamas were hiding in a hospital, would you bomb an entire hospital with sick people, pregnant women, old people, kids? it's a war crime.
@bbacc don't feed the troll
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@aral how is it a genocide if their population is growing by almost 2% ?, stop using the word genocide to justify your anti-Jew desires
You are the one equating the condemnation of the Israeli genocide in Gaza with anti-Semitism. You are deliberately conflating Israelis—and, in fact, the Israeli government—with Jews. There is nothing more anti-Semitic than that. You're the anti-Semite here.
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