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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

    Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.

    Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.

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    #10

    @slothrop @neil
    You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

    dsc@mastodon.scotD bishopjoey@writing.exchangeB steltenpower@social.edu.nlS resl@mas.toR angelascholder@mastodon.energyA 6 Replies Last reply
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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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      #11

      @neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
      Yet we all accept it.

      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN allpoints@mstdn.socialA missconstrue@mefi.socialM 3 Replies Last reply
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      • mikecox@mastodon.iow.socialM mikecox@mastodon.iow.social

        @neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
        Yet we all accept it.

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        #12

        @mikecox This is indeed one of the reasons why I am struggling to replace my car at the moment, because I don't want to accept that.

        I might not get what I want.

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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          #13

          @neil @Em0nM4stodon There is nothing to be baffled about. This is 1984. It is happening, stop being in denial. Take a look at the laws being pushed forward all over the West, it is not rocket science.

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          • thinkb4u@ieji.deT thinkb4u@ieji.de

            @neil @Em0nM4stodon There is nothing to be baffled about. This is 1984. It is happening, stop being in denial. Take a look at the laws being pushed forward all over the West, it is not rocket science.

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            #14

            @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

            The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

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            • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

              @neil There is exactly one person who gets to decide what happens in my computer. Me.

              If you want to run things in my world, you play by my rules and only my rules.

              Wait Shit. Am I'm turning in to a conservative, I want things to remain how they were twenty years ago... Is this is what they meant about getting more conservative when you get older?

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              #15

              @emily_s No, Conservatives want things to remain the same because they control them, change threatens that control. You want to control any changes you make, that is different.

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                @mikecox This is indeed one of the reasons why I am struggling to replace my car at the moment, because I don't want to accept that.

                I might not get what I want.

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                #16

                @neil @mikecox I suspect it's going to be hard to disable too as the connection is, I assume, shared with the SOS systems.

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

                  The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

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                  #17

                  @neil
                  Increased Shareholder Value as always.
                  @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

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                  • aadeacon@mastodon.socialA aadeacon@mastodon.social

                    @emily_s No, Conservatives want things to remain the same because they control them, change threatens that control. You want to control any changes you make, that is different.

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                    #18

                    @aadeacon But I do currently control my computer, and I want to retain that control... I do not want someone else to take away the control I already have over my things

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                      #19

                      @neil I am very concearned about age verification on OS level thing thats on the talks lately. So i am NOT trying to under estimate this threath, ok. Still i have a total noob question here: how could that ever be enforcable?

                      Somodoby just goes "fuck that!" Makes a linux distro that does not ask any of that shit and puts it out for free.

                      How can this effect those users?

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                        #20

                        @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                          #21

                          @neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk how else will they monitor everything that you do?

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                          • janeishly@beige.partyJ janeishly@beige.party

                            @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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                            #22

                            @janeishly @neil What happens when somebody you don’t want to use your computer turns it on though? 🤔

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                              #23

                              @neil Yeah. Stupid, dangerous, nefarious.

                              Yet it doesn’t limit that. It’s overtlly an impediment for using somebody else’s service, running on somebody else’s computer.

                              Autonomy was lost when taking the “cloud” bait and falling into the “cloud” trap. This is just a post-battle mop up.

                              The hidden agenda is, of course, totalitarian repression. But still, you get to do whatever you want with your thing, and only your thing, as long as it doesn’t touch others. Fire up that compiler!

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                              • janeishly@beige.partyJ janeishly@beige.party

                                @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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                                #24

                                @janeishly @neil

                                theres no option to log in without password on windows these days?

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                                • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

                                  @slothrop @neil
                                  You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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                                  @jannem @slothrop @neil can I borrow that? I wear that moniker also!

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                                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                    Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                                    Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                                    * No age or ID verification

                                    * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                                    * No third party accounts

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                                    #26

                                    @neil

                                    Give the world's dangerous slight into extreme right politics, and fascism, using your computer like it's 1999 is seen as radical and anarchist.

                                    Welcome to being radical and anarchist by being the same socialist you were in 1999 😂

                                    Edit: If you think Windows is bad, try setting up a Mac without linking your identity to the device.

                                    Pro Tip: Buy the device with cash and never give the salesperson your email address or mobile number. Good Luck 😁👍

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                                    • dsc@mastodon.scotD dsc@mastodon.scot

                                      @jannem @slothrop @neil can I borrow that? I wear that moniker also!

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                                      #27

                                      @dsc @slothrop @neil
                                      It's not mine originally; I believe I've read something similar by others. Feel free to use in other words!

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                        #28

                                        @neil it already started with the online and cloud based approach for almost anything

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                          #29

                                          @neil @revk I think we should ask what ownership even means today. If I buy a device but can only use it under imposed conditions, like mandatory ID or age checks, do I truly own it? Or is it becoming conditional possession, where key rights no longer lie with the owner? The real issue is whether lawmakers are gradually replacing true ownership with a regulated model of use.

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