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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

    Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

    * No age or ID verification

    * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

    * No third party accounts

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    #49

    @neil I have never used my full name when setting up my user on a personal Linux device.

    I generally give computers hostnames that do not identify the devices type.

    My email addresses to do not include my name nor parts of my name.

    My online usernames are unique per site and do not contain references to my real name.

    Not that this helps much with device fingerprinting as it is today but I feel I have to try to do something.

    Every act of resistance counts.

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    • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

      @slothrop @neil
      You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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      #50

      @jannem @slothrop @neil same same

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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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        #51

        @neil
        One could argue it'd be more important add locks on fridges which only open if you verify your age and identity, since the top shelf inside has a can of beer on it.
        Or locks + verification on drawers, since there's a steak knife inside.

        But turning the world into an unsafe surveillance dystopia with even more phishing + data management malpractice + exploit opportunities is insanity and dangerous.

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        • supermoosie@mastodon.auS supermoosie@mastodon.au

          @Kantikainen @neil

          Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.

          Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.

          So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.

          "When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.

          Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"

          https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot

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          #52

          @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil this stranglehold MS has over home computers including Linux has never fully dawned on me before. I can't imagine China accepting that, do they have knock off x86 chips without the "secure bios"

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          • supermoosie@mastodon.auS supermoosie@mastodon.au

            @Kantikainen @neil

            Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.

            Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.

            So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.

            "When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.

            Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"

            https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot

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            #53

            @SuperMoosie @neil sooooo....is this a problem if you just turn secure boot off? I have done so every time i installed new OS anyway.

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            • kantikainen@mementomori.socialK kantikainen@mementomori.social

              @SuperMoosie @neil sooooo....is this a problem if you just turn secure boot off? I have done so every time i installed new OS anyway.

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              #54

              @Kantikainen @SuperMoosie Yes, and that is fine *while that remains an option*.

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                #55

                @neil

                Yes, that's me.

                Born in 1827, Civil War veteran, see my photos on Facebook.

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                • tenpasttwo@mas.toT tenpasttwo@mas.to

                  @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil this stranglehold MS has over home computers including Linux has never fully dawned on me before. I can't imagine China accepting that, do they have knock off x86 chips without the "secure bios"

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                  #56

                  @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil

                  To answer my own question, China doesn't trust MS secure bios:

                  https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/chinese-government-shifts-focus-from-x86-and-arm-cpus-promoting-the-adoption-of-risc-v-chips

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                    Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                    * No age or ID verification

                    * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                    * No third party accounts

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                    #57

                    @neil It is a war on general computation. Cory Doctorow observed that about 15 years ago.

                    Skews the balance of power even more towards platforms.

                    Computation is power!

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                      #58

                      @neil what’s next?
                      Verify age before using dishwasher, washing machine, robo-vacuum , robo-lawn mower and other household appliances that have computers in them?

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                        #59

                        @neil Annoys me.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

                          The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

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                          #60

                          @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.

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                          • supermoosie@mastodon.auS supermoosie@mastodon.au

                            @Kantikainen @neil

                            Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.

                            Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.

                            So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.

                            "When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.

                            Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"

                            https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot

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                            #61

                            @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil I want Microsoft to explicitly bleed and DIE in a bloody Antitrust case.

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                            • thinkb4u@ieji.deT thinkb4u@ieji.de

                              @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.

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                              #62

                              @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be downloading some installation media with the fullest set of binaries and source code possible. Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD come easily into mind and there are probably others. Also git clone locally everything important to you.

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                #63

                                @neil it's not really supposed to make sense, its just supposed to control you more

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                                • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                                  @neil "You should own nothing, and be happy***"

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                                  #64

                                  @aanee @neil You rent everything, are not trusted and you need to through away stuff, and you ars not happy.

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                                  • hedders@mas.toH hedders@mas.to

                                    @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

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                                    #65

                                    @hedders @neil You’ll have a dumb terminal that you pay a subscription for. All this terminal does is connect you to approved services from Google/Amazon/Microsoft. That subscription will go up in price as actual computers die out. The service will get worse over time.

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                      #66

                                      @neil What happens if someone installes Userland Linux or some virtual machine? That would bypass age verification on the OS, unless they prevent anyone under 18 using VMs or Userland Linux.

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                                      • lordsplodge@brettspiel.spaceL lordsplodge@brettspiel.space

                                        @hedders @neil You’ll have a dumb terminal that you pay a subscription for. All this terminal does is connect you to approved services from Google/Amazon/Microsoft. That subscription will go up in price as actual computers die out. The service will get worse over time.

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                                        #67

                                        @lordsplodge @hedders @neil Cory Doctorow (yeah, I know…) kind of touched on this in Little Brother. All the kids had these totally locked-down games consoles that were given away free as loss-leaders for the online game companies. But they were powerful bits of kit, and the hacker kids just jailbroke them to run their own software.

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                          #68

                                          @neil It doesn't put enough money in venture capitalists' pockes, so it must change.

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