Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word.
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@whitequark @mcc both of those use the first letter of each word, but strictly speaking initialisms are read out as the letters (e.g. BGP, TCP) and acronyms are pronounced as a word (e.g. LARP, PIN), although in practice "acronym" gets used to mean both.
I think what mcc wants is more like "LoRa".
@gsuberland @mcc upon closer inspection there is no consensus on what "acronym" means
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@gsuberland @mcc upon closer inspection there is no consensus on what "acronym" means
@whitequark @mcc yup.
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@mcc Portmanteau.
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@syn @mcc wiktionary says that "komsomol" is an acromym (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Komsomol) so i think that's what it's called
@whitequark @syn If wikitionary had actually spelled it "acromym" I would have proposed making it the new official name for the concept
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@mcc that might just be an abbreviation?
@rezzish I was hoping to have a term more specific than abbreviation, since the concept itself is more specific
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@gsuberland @whitequark It's interesting because language is fluid but usually the words used to describe language are more rigid due to them being selected by people whose job it is to describe language
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@gsuberland @whitequark It's interesting because language is fluid but usually the words used to describe language are more rigid due to them being selected by people whose job it is to describe language
@mcc @whitequark my general feeling is that this is true right up until you hit the "no plan survives contact with the enemy" effect of colloquial and informal usage.
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@mcc @whitequark my general feeling is that this is true right up until you hit the "no plan survives contact with the enemy" effect of colloquial and informal usage.
@gsuberland @whitequark I like the idea of language speakers and linguists as natural enemies
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@gsuberland @whitequark I like the idea of language speakers and linguists as natural enemies
@mcc @whitequark there's definite tribalism. the first example that came to mind is plural-data (which I hate)
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@ann3nova @kelson The official instructions on how to create a portmanteau (from the preface to "Hunting of the Snark") tell you to keep in your mind simultaneously the sincere intention to say both words, not decide until the last possible moment, and then simply say whatever bursts forth. Rilchiam!
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@syn @mcc wiktionary says that "komsomol" is an acromym (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Komsomol) so i think that's what it's called
@whitequark @syn @mcc interesting that clicking through on a Russian word gives a slightly different name: syllabic abbreviation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#syllabic_abbreviation
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@mcc @whitequark there's definite tribalism. the first example that came to mind is plural-data (which I hate)
@gsuberland @whitequark These datums
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@whitequark @syn @mcc interesting that clicking through on a Russian word gives a slightly different name: syllabic abbreviation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#syllabic_abbreviation
@gribnoysup @syn @mcc oh, i guess that's the exact thing mcc is looking for then
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc This might be a good place to start for info about that feature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contracted_words
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@gsuberland @whitequark These datums
@mcc @whitequark all my datums, gone
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc Like Nabisco (for National Biscuit Company) or SoHo (South of Houston?) Some parts of the internet say "syllabic abbreviations" although obviously that should be shortened to syllabbs.
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc
I remember:
The shortening of the name of the show Absolutely Fabulous to AbFab
MST3K using ConHugeCo as a name for a gigantic corporation
