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i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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  • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

    @eniko Preach. I want developers to be artisans and craftspeople who build for the ages.

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    #47

    @eniko As a matter of fact I want this to be the de facto approach to how we make new things but sometimes when I say this people think I mean stuff like woodworking and blacksmithing which, yes, but also computers, and phones, and bicycles electric and acoustic, and everything else.

    I want *everything* to be made by people who have cause to take pride in their work.

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    • badtux@mastodon.socialB badtux@mastodon.social

      @kirtai @eniko That said the C programs I wrote in the early 90s still compile fine today

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      #48

      @badtux @eniko
      Yeah, but I've seen some that modern C compilers absolutely hate, such as gnu smalltalk.

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      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

        i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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        #49

        @eniko
        I like small programs and I cannot lie.

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        • kirtai@tech.lgbtK kirtai@tech.lgbt

          @me @badtux @eniko
          It's like building on quicksand.

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          #50

          @kirtai @me @badtux @eniko b.b..b
          ..but surely quicksand would make building even quicker? It's in the name, innit? 🤔

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            #51

            @datarama @daviddoes @eniko But don't you want the "better" experience 😄

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            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

              i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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              #52

              @eniko Agreed.

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                #53

                @datarama @eniko

                100%! Why does my fridge need contacts and calendars?

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                • badtux@mastodon.socialB badtux@mastodon.social

                  @eniko But then the boss would have fewer people to manage, and be unable to justify his job. Most software changes are about employment for engineers, not necessity. Grr.

                  As a software engineer I want computer languages and frameworks that stay stable for decades rather than have a new release every year that obsoletes old programs and requires a rewrite. But I don't get to have that :(.

                  #software #softwaredevelopment

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                  #54

                  @badtux
                  I think there's enough work refactoring, cleaning up code, fixing old bugs, improving the testsuite, etc. that a same-sized team could do it for years without adding new features.
                  @eniko

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                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                    #55

                    @eniko I also want the updates to spend more time in UAT/Staging instead of being pushed straight into production.

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                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                      #56

                      @eniko @carol https://mutable-states.com/slow-code.html

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                        #57

                        @datarama @daviddoes @eniko I do not only want my toaster to be part of a botnet, I want my toaster to not have electronics AT ALL.

                        There is no reason for my fridge, toaster or oven to have a microcontroller. Really, we've been doing these things a century and today we seem to default to adding microcontrollers to everything.

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                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                          #58

                          @eniko
                          isnt þe unix philosophy "every program should do one job and do it well"? can we just make þat law? i would love a world where every program solved / did one þing i wanted and nþn else.

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                            #59

                            @bencourtice @eniko
                            I still call programs for desktop use programs. "App" for me is a word for mobile device programs.

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                            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                              #60

                              @eniko Preach.

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                              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                #61

                                @eniko this sounds exactly like my kinda job (well except the paid part)

                                *Looks at my projects which have an update every few months with few features*

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                                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                  #62

                                  @eniko I can switch on a BBC micro and load View in less time than I can wake my Windows 11 laptop and load MS Word. Seems that the faster computers become; the longer it takes to do the same things with them.

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                                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                    #63

                                    @eniko +9001%
                                    I want smaller, auditable, reproduceable and simple systems!

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                                    • jhooper@techhub.socialJ jhooper@techhub.social

                                      @eniko can we also request the coders to have a nap time during the day? Rest is important, and I'm not kidding about that either.

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                                      #64

                                      @jhooper @eniko if you work remote you can nap whenever you want

                                      source: I do this every day

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                                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                        #65

                                        @eniko I miss the days where getting an update was like christmas. Now I mumble to myself 'what did you mess up this time..'

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                                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                          #66

                                          @eniko And fewer applications. Today I learned that Ubuntu now has Snapshot, as well as screenshot but that Snapshot shows up as Camera, though it didn't when it was called Cheese. This happened 2 years ago.

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