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The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

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  • disisdeguey@expressional.socialD disisdeguey@expressional.social

    @Stoori @rune @schratze Heeey don't wish this kind of things. I'd blocked th Gibraltar strait myself if we can avoid that 😁

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    #16

    @disisdeguey @rune @schratze i'm afraid we're long past the point where we could accidentally ”give them ideas” with our morbid joking

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    • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

      @gardengeek @schratze also I love how china went from "there's no point in us doing anything because china burns all the coal" to "well china managed to do it, why aren't we?"

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      #17

      @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

      Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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      • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

        @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

        Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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        #18

        @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Nevertheless the share of China's energy that comes from coal is declining fast and will continue to do so

        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN

        Furthermore, some of the new coal plants replace older inefficient ones and produce fewer emissions.

        One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t' gulf and planned accordingly.

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        • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

          The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

          Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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          #19

          @schratze I would say that we have many mathematical models for predicting renewables too. But I'd not be surprised it that was the case for fossil fuels too

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          • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

            @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

            Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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            #20

            @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze
            lots of conflicting stories going around. hard to know what to believe. according to these two sources, china has been decreasing coal use for the last four years.

            https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/chn/china/coal-usage-consumption

            https://www.worldometers.info/coal/china-coal/

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            • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

              @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

              Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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              #21

              @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Yeah, though I did hear they have to *because* of the massive growth in renewables because reasons (or something - sounded reasonable when I heard it, sounds laughable as I type it - but do think their trajectory is towards fully renewables, and astonishingly fast).

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              • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                #22

                @schratze The sun definitely giving us solar today, first time it’s truly been sunny this year.

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                • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

                  @Stoori @schratze but spain are like sooo anti war right now they kicked out the US troops that were supposed to participate

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                  #23

                  @rune @Stoori @schratze only until the next elections! (looking at the polls... 😬)

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                  • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                    The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                    Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                    #24

                    @schratze I write to you, heartbroken and in tears, for my dear mother.
                    I’m Kholoud from Ga🥺za. My 90-year-old mother is blind, immobile, and recently had a stroke. She cries from painful sores because we ran out of diapers. Pleease heeelp us with the cost of diapers and one package of her stroke medication (Eliquis) only 🙏💔

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                    • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                      @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze
                      lots of conflicting stories going around. hard to know what to believe. according to these two sources, china has been decreasing coal use for the last four years.

                      https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/chn/china/coal-usage-consumption

                      https://www.worldometers.info/coal/china-coal/

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                      #25

                      @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze

                      My understanding is that at least part of the confusion is due to China building both new coal plans and renewables at a very high rate.

                      They are adding a lot of new coal plants, but the proportion of total energy produced by coal still declines when you factor in all the new solar and wind they're doing at the same time.

                      I am not a reliable source (although I do my best)! I think @parismarx discussed this in a recent episode of the #TechWontSaveUs podcast on the #GreenTransition

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                      • plantarum@ottawa.placeP plantarum@ottawa.place

                        @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze

                        My understanding is that at least part of the confusion is due to China building both new coal plans and renewables at a very high rate.

                        They are adding a lot of new coal plants, but the proportion of total energy produced by coal still declines when you factor in all the new solar and wind they're doing at the same time.

                        I am not a reliable source (although I do my best)! I think @parismarx discussed this in a recent episode of the #TechWontSaveUs podcast on the #GreenTransition

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                        #26

                        @plantarum @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx figures i linked to are not proportionate to solar. just coal consumption.

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                        • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                          @plantarum @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx figures i linked to are not proportionate to solar. just coal consumption.

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                          #27

                          @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx

                          From 2025. Lots of interesting details, including solar growing in proportion to coal, while coal continues to grow in absolute volume as well.

                          "China is on its way to becoming the world’s first “electrostate”, with a growing share of its energy coming from electricity and an economy increasingly driven by clean technologies ...

                          China remains the world’s biggest greenhouse gas producer and its power sector emissions reached a new high last year, driven by a rise in coal consumption... still the dominant fuel in its electricity mix, despite a surge in renewable capacity additions."

                          https://www.ft.com/content/f86782fa-9f2e-448a-b710-29e787dc9831

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                          • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                            The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                            Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                            @schratze excellent toot

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                            • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                              The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                              Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                              @schratze you wanted to say "they're not reliable enough in increasing the profits of shady regimes through manufactured crises"?

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                              • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                @schratze I'm putting a 10% tax on wind!

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                                • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                  The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                  Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                  @schratze I hear that some companies are starting to offshore their wind turbines though.

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                                  • odr_k4tana@infosec.exchangeO odr_k4tana@infosec.exchange

                                    @schratze I'm putting a 10% tax on wind!

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                                    @odr_k4tana @schratze We've got to put a stop to all this cheap foreign sunlight that is flooding into the country.

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                                    • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                      The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                      Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                      #33

                                      @schratze the problem with energy, whether renewable or fossil, is not so much its production (i.e., generation, storage, transmission, and distribution) but rather our insatiable consumption of it.

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                                      • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                        The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                        Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                        @schratze Space, with the delivery ayyylmaos
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                                        • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                                          @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Nevertheless the share of China's energy that comes from coal is declining fast and will continue to do so

                                          https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN

                                          Furthermore, some of the new coal plants replace older inefficient ones and produce fewer emissions.

                                          One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t' gulf and planned accordingly.

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                                          #35

                                          @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl Those powerplants do have a limited lifespan.

                                          If they’re all coming due basically the same time, then the VC’s observation can be correct and misleading.

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