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  • jamoteusz@mastodon.com.plJ jamoteusz@mastodon.com.pl

    @benroyce @draNgNon

    we have to teach them before examination.

    But you are right.

    Thanx a lot for expirience exchange.

    Cheers, mate!

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    #30

    @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

    your average person of average intelligence can understand social context and code switch easily

    how we act around each other, gender related or not, is very different in church/mosque/temple, vs the home, vs the street, vs the coffee shop, vs employment scenario, etc

    how a person acts in their home country vs adopted country is all code switching too

    anyone can grasp context and expectations instantly

    "we have to teach them" seems condescending to me

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @RichiH that is harder because they're just looking in the camera. But other cues like whose questions they engage with and how long and the overall differential in their emotional tenor can still be gauged

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      #31

      @benroyce yeah, it's doable. But needs more finesse.

      The fun part is , #Grafana has something we call Wayfinders. If I say no on an interview, it's a hard no and the hiring manager can't override

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      • drangnon@hachyderm.ioD drangnon@hachyderm.io

        @benroyce @Jamoteusz

        there really is a difference between an asshole American techbro who was gung-ho about gamergate, and some guy from an ME or African or SE Asian country who managed to get the education necessary to work in a tech job in the US or EU and who has real problems addressing women directly. that difference is actually codified legally; you can decline to hire someone who's rude but not discriminate on the basis of national origin.

        it's late so that's all I will say in response, other than cute as the OP was, it's not always as cut-and-dried as you make it out to be. if only that were so

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        #32

        @draNgNon

        @benroyce @Jamoteusz

        This is about 'culture fit' isn't it.

        Like, if that culture is yt cis dude sports huel bro-down last in the office wins, then that's the way it is and you have to fit in.

        But if the culture is queer/trans positive syndicalist caring-responsibility and MH aware diversity forward then that's dangerous and discriminatory?

        No. Tech interviews are nice, but what you really want to do is avoid dickheads who'll break a working team.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

          your average person of average intelligence can understand social context and code switch easily

          how we act around each other, gender related or not, is very different in church/mosque/temple, vs the home, vs the street, vs the coffee shop, vs employment scenario, etc

          how a person acts in their home country vs adopted country is all code switching too

          anyone can grasp context and expectations instantly

          "we have to teach them" seems condescending to me

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          #33

          @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon can you explain why is that bigotry and misogyny?

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            @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon can you explain why is that bigotry and misogyny?

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            #34

            @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

            what is

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            • juliarez@chaos.socialJ juliarez@chaos.social

              @draNgNon

              @benroyce @Jamoteusz

              This is about 'culture fit' isn't it.

              Like, if that culture is yt cis dude sports huel bro-down last in the office wins, then that's the way it is and you have to fit in.

              But if the culture is queer/trans positive syndicalist caring-responsibility and MH aware diversity forward then that's dangerous and discriminatory?

              No. Tech interviews are nice, but what you really want to do is avoid dickheads who'll break a working team.

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              #35

              @JuliaRez @draNgNon @benroyce

              thank you.
              may be I start to understand something.

              I'm small-biz - one man person band. Not much experience with BigFishes. [only some, rather bad]

              So - i need to understand something.

              [you use to much modern language to me - i'm not so up to date with it]

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                what is

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                #36

                @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon that you calim to be in this thread

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                • R redeleted@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon that you calim to be in this thread

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                  #37

                  @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                  i still don't understand you. speak specifically and coherently what you are trying to say

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                    i still don't understand you. speak specifically and coherently what you are trying to say

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                    #38

                    @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon you posted a pic of a quote and in this thread you say that the people about the quote are bigots and misogynist

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                    • R redeleted@mastodon.social

                      @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon you posted a pic of a quote and in this thread you say that the people about the quote are bigots and misogynist

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                      #39

                      @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                      nothing i said is remotely like that. please learn to read

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                        nothing i said is remotely like that. please learn to read

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                        #40

                        @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon hahaha, yes i go and learn to read. Obviously!

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          Nice method

                          #techbros #techbro #misogyny

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                          #41

                          @benroyce Really? That's nuts, I got taught that in an interview you make an effort to address everyone there. It's an _interview_, they're all deciding to hire you or not.

                          Maybe I should write a book on how to mask like a human. But then again, some techbro might read it, so perhaps not.

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                            @benroyce @Jamoteusz @draNgNon hahaha, yes i go and learn to read. Obviously!

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                            #42

                            @redeleted @Jamoteusz @draNgNon

                            k

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                            • jamoteusz@mastodon.com.plJ jamoteusz@mastodon.com.pl

                              @JuliaRez @draNgNon @benroyce

                              thank you.
                              may be I start to understand something.

                              I'm small-biz - one man person band. Not much experience with BigFishes. [only some, rather bad]

                              So - i need to understand something.

                              [you use to much modern language to me - i'm not so up to date with it]

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                              #43

                              @Jamoteusz

                              @draNgNon @benroyce

                              There are a lot of US cultural assumptions that are awkward in the UK, make no sense at all in .de and even less in .pl (for instance)

                              Yet us anglophones are still making those assumptions.

                              Also, writing about any of it requires technical language in the same way that writing about, say, unix does.

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                              • juliarez@chaos.socialJ juliarez@chaos.social

                                @Jamoteusz

                                @draNgNon @benroyce

                                There are a lot of US cultural assumptions that are awkward in the UK, make no sense at all in .de and even less in .pl (for instance)

                                Yet us anglophones are still making those assumptions.

                                Also, writing about any of it requires technical language in the same way that writing about, say, unix does.

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                                #44

                                @JuliaRez @draNgNon @benroyce

                                thanx for explanation.

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                                • kay@meow.socialK kay@meow.social

                                  @benroyce Really? That's nuts, I got taught that in an interview you make an effort to address everyone there. It's an _interview_, they're all deciding to hire you or not.

                                  Maybe I should write a book on how to mask like a human. But then again, some techbro might read it, so perhaps not.

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                                  #45

                                  @kay @benroyce But what you describe would show a pattern of equal treatment - you'll address everyone regardless of who asked the question.
                                  If you only do that when a woman asks, on the other hand, that's a sign of trouble.

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    Nice method

                                    #techbros #techbro #misogyny

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                                    #46

                                    @benroyce How about if I answer the question while staring at the wall directly between them?

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                                    • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

                                      @benroyce How about if I answer the question while staring at the wall directly between them?

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                                      #47

                                      @benroyce For reference I hate interviews / the thought of interviews. Luckily I've managed to never have a job interview in my entire working career.

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                                      • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

                                        @benroyce How about if I answer the question while staring at the wall directly between them?

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                                        #48

                                        @geoffl preferably you answer by standing up and aggressively shouting at whomever

                                        alternatively you answer by sheepishly staring into your lap and never raising your head the entire interview

                                        (/s)

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          Nice method

                                          #techbros #techbro #misogyny

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                                          #49

                                          @benroyce In one company, we had an all-female interview round, because a lot of men behaves like assholes when they're in the room only with women.

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