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  3. You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

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  • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

    You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

    Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

    We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

    Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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    #35

    @renata
    I said this the morning the story broke so no you're not crazy

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    • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

      You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

      Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

      We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

      Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

      kristinhenry@vis.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #36

      @renata They are a nuisance here in San Francisco. I've experienced them blocking the entrance to my Cancer Hospital when I arrive for an appointment, and they're still there when I leave.

      I'm in survivor care now. But so many other patients aren't doing as well, and having the entrance blocked is an ordeal for many.

      Not to mention their freezing when we had a black out. They just sat there, unable to make left turns without a functioning street light.

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      • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

        @renata WTF?!

        '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

        I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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        #37

        @Chigaze @renata So those who use them ARE as big an asshole has any who allows them on the street, as well as the company.

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        • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

          @renata
          I hope you are prepared for these "funny" side effects, too:
          https://youtu.be/Xvs0K1LG1ac

          scriptfanix@maly.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #38

          @derderwish Damn I would have torched these things... Self-defense.
          @renata

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          • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

            @renata WTF?!

            '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

            I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

            geodarcy@yeg.bikeG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #39

            @Chigaze @renata It was recently changed but Waymo couldn’t get tickets in California. There may be other places where driverless vehicles cannot get a ticket.

            Remember that these types of violations by AVs aren’t a momentary lack of judgement or attention but a design choice that was debated in meetings by multiple people

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            • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

              @renata WTF?!

              '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

              I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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              #40

              @Chigaze @renata hitmen say that murder awareness is too high a bar, because customers want other people to be dead.

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              • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

                controlc@mstdn.caC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #41

                @renata It's bad, but I'm going to go with Doug and his late brother's love of trucks, and Doug's endless petty revenge schemes against Toronto. Sadly I've not seen Toronto opposing Waymo.

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                • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                  You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                  Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                  We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                  Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

                  krutonium@social.treehouse.systemsK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #42

                  @renata Honestly I'm sure that's part of it, but honestly it's also just Doug taking revenge on Toronto for being upset that his Brother was smoking crack in office and took steps to remove him from office as a result. Frankly it shouldn't be allowed for the Provincial Government to override the City like that.

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                  • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                    @renata Are the Waymo cars equipped to handle the cold?

                    How about Molotov cocktails?

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                    #43

                    @grumble209 @renata They can't even handle a traffic cone being placed on the hood.

                    Also worth mentioning that molotov cocktails are usually not the best idea.

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                    • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                      @renata WTF?!

                      '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                      I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

                      nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #44

                      @Chigaze @renata
                      But with AI all Waymo has to do is vibe code bike lane awareness, right?

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                      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                        @Chigaze @renata Well, I think that basically seals Waymo's fate in the Netherlands and Denmark. 😜

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                        #45

                        @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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                        • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                          You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                          Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                          We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                          Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                          #46

                          @renata

                          This things are a scourge. If you can, keep them out of your town or city.

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                          • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                            You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                            Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                            We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                            Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                            #47

                            @renata

                            Maybe @notjustbikes has something to say.

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                            • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                              @renata WTF?!

                              '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                              I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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                              #48

                              @Chigaze
                              @renata
                              Ford told child death critics that even slightly shorter hoods is "too high a bar" because customers want to feel like big manly men.

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                              • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                                You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                                Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                                We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                                Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

                                tassiedi@urbanists.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #49

                                @renata Who owns Waymo?

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                                • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                                  You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                                  Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                                  We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                                  Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

                                  thematic@mastodon.greenT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #50

                                  @renata How many strikes before we just ban automobiles in cities, because this would certainly be one.

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                                  • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                                    @renata WTF?!

                                    '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                                    I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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                                    #51

                                    @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                                    • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                                      • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                                    And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                                    • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                                    • netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN netzblockierer@tech.lgbt

                                      @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                                      • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                                        • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                                      And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                                      • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                                      #52

                                      @Chigaze @renata Personally, I'd advocate for installing Armadillos with Calthorps, vertical barrier sticks or even stop Sticks into the bike lane markings to puncture offending car tires.

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                                      • dannotdaniel@hellions.cloudD dannotdaniel@hellions.cloud

                                        @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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                                        #53

                                        @dannotdaniel @datarama @Chigaze @renata also in Germany and we ain't even doing 10% of Dutch Cycling Infrastructure…

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                                        • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                          @Chigaze @renata So those who use them ARE as big an asshole has any who allows them on the street, as well as the company.

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                                          #54

                                          @CStamp @Chigaze @renata Yes.

                                          A "Criminal Enterprise" by some definitions…

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