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  3. You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

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  • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

    @renata WTF?!

    '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

    I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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    #37

    @Chigaze @renata So those who use them ARE as big an asshole has any who allows them on the street, as well as the company.

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    • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

      @renata
      I hope you are prepared for these "funny" side effects, too:
      https://youtu.be/Xvs0K1LG1ac

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      #38

      @derderwish Damn I would have torched these things... Self-defense.
      @renata

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      • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

        @renata WTF?!

        '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

        I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

        geodarcy@yeg.bikeG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #39

        @Chigaze @renata It was recently changed but Waymo couldn’t get tickets in California. There may be other places where driverless vehicles cannot get a ticket.

        Remember that these types of violations by AVs aren’t a momentary lack of judgement or attention but a design choice that was debated in meetings by multiple people

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        • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

          @renata WTF?!

          '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

          I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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          #40

          @Chigaze @renata hitmen say that murder awareness is too high a bar, because customers want other people to be dead.

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          • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

            You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

            Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

            We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

            Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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            #41

            @renata It's bad, but I'm going to go with Doug and his late brother's love of trucks, and Doug's endless petty revenge schemes against Toronto. Sadly I've not seen Toronto opposing Waymo.

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            • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

              You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

              Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

              We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

              Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

              krutonium@social.treehouse.systemsK This user is from outside of this forum
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              #42

              @renata Honestly I'm sure that's part of it, but honestly it's also just Doug taking revenge on Toronto for being upset that his Brother was smoking crack in office and took steps to remove him from office as a result. Frankly it shouldn't be allowed for the Provincial Government to override the City like that.

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              • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                @renata Are the Waymo cars equipped to handle the cold?

                How about Molotov cocktails?

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                #43

                @grumble209 @renata They can't even handle a traffic cone being placed on the hood.

                Also worth mentioning that molotov cocktails are usually not the best idea.

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                • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                  @renata WTF?!

                  '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                  I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

                  nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #44

                  @Chigaze @renata
                  But with AI all Waymo has to do is vibe code bike lane awareness, right?

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                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                    @Chigaze @renata Well, I think that basically seals Waymo's fate in the Netherlands and Denmark. 😜

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                    #45

                    @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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                    • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                      You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                      Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                      We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                      Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                      #46

                      @renata

                      This things are a scourge. If you can, keep them out of your town or city.

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                      • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                        You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                        Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                        We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                        Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                        #47

                        @renata

                        Maybe @notjustbikes has something to say.

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                        • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                          @renata WTF?!

                          '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                          I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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                          #48

                          @Chigaze
                          @renata
                          Ford told child death critics that even slightly shorter hoods is "too high a bar" because customers want to feel like big manly men.

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                          • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                            You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                            Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                            We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                            Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

                            tassiedi@urbanists.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #49

                            @renata Who owns Waymo?

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                            • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                              You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                              Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                              We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                              Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                              #50

                              @renata How many strikes before we just ban automobiles in cities, because this would certainly be one.

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                              • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                                @renata WTF?!

                                '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                                I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

                                netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #51

                                @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                                • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                                  • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                                And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                                • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                                • netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN netzblockierer@tech.lgbt

                                  @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                                  • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                                    • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                                  And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                                  • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                                  #52

                                  @Chigaze @renata Personally, I'd advocate for installing Armadillos with Calthorps, vertical barrier sticks or even stop Sticks into the bike lane markings to puncture offending car tires.

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                                  • dannotdaniel@hellions.cloudD dannotdaniel@hellions.cloud

                                    @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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                                    #53

                                    @dannotdaniel @datarama @Chigaze @renata also in Germany and we ain't even doing 10% of Dutch Cycling Infrastructure…

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                                    • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                                      @Chigaze @renata So those who use them ARE as big an asshole has any who allows them on the street, as well as the company.

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                                      #54

                                      @CStamp @Chigaze @renata Yes.

                                      A "Criminal Enterprise" by some definitions…

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                                      • nerde@beige.partyN nerde@beige.party

                                        @Chigaze @renata
                                        But with AI all Waymo has to do is vibe code bike lane awareness, right?

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                                        #55

                                        @Nerde @Chigaze @renata they won't unless forced at gunpoint or at least facing jailtime…
                                        https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117471633979384122

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                                        • geodarcy@yeg.bikeG geodarcy@yeg.bike

                                          @Chigaze @renata It was recently changed but Waymo couldn’t get tickets in California. There may be other places where driverless vehicles cannot get a ticket.

                                          Remember that these types of violations by AVs aren’t a momentary lack of judgement or attention but a design choice that was debated in meetings by multiple people

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                                          #56

                                          @geodarcy @Chigaze @renata in Germany, EVERY VEHICLE MUST HAVE A LICENSED DRIVER and that person behind the wheel is 100% responsible for said vehicle!

                                          • Will be fun to see #Waymo even try to get commercial transport permits, as they'll need people with 2 years of valid license willing to put that on the line for a Criminal Enterprise…
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