When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?
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@evan i picked people, because ultimately federation is the implementation detail and people communicating is the reason why any of us are here, not vice versa. buuut it really depends on what the diagram is meant to communicate and to whom
@evan I think Topics could just as well have the same rational, and it's interesting to me that it has scored so low so far.
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@evan What are nodes in this case?
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@evan @mayintoronto but I wish the geeky "instances" word could be made more general-public friendly.
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@evan I'm a fan of making diagrams information-dense, so I'd want to try to illustrate (or even better, animate) all of the above. Have instance nodes be their software logos but labelled with their domains. Show people connecting to their own instances using phones or PCs. Show them creating posts, animate them flying across the fediverse. Show hashtags being used. Show different software instances interacting. Maybe try to animate a whole follow post sequence for individuals and hashtags.
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@evan depends on what the illustration is being used for. For a generic usage, I would say people and instances. I chose "people", since ultimately that's the point.
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@andypiper I think it's better too!
@evan @andypiper Same here, definitely prefer "servers" to "instances", but my favorite is "communities".
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@evan
(Instances)
Of course, the answer is always really going to be "It depends on what you are illustrating".If the point is interoperability, then "software" makes sense, for example.
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@evan i picked people, because ultimately federation is the implementation detail and people communicating is the reason why any of us are here, not vice versa. buuut it really depends on what the diagram is meant to communicate and to whom
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@evan What are nodes in this case?
@mayintoronto that's the question!
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@mayintoronto that's the question!
@evan oh I see!
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@evan oh I see!
@evan In that case, I'd argue the nodes are clusters of people who eventually end up following each other due repeat interactions.
There are probably identifiable individuals who would be central to several nodes of people who gather around central interests!
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@evan oh I see!
@mayintoronto @evan so, I was thinking in terms of visibility and moderation.
But in terms of function, I'm with May. It's a social-graph isn't it?
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@evan [Instances] I think this maps onto the idea in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node_(networking) that "many physical network nodes are host computers", in the sense that both a host computer and an instance is the bit on which people have their accounts.
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@evan @andypiper Same here, definitely prefer "servers" to "instances", but my favorite is "communities".
@stefan @andypiper Servers would have been better. Can we live with instances?
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@stefan @andypiper Servers would have been better. Can we live with instances?
I mean, I can definitely live with it. I just wonder if it's an additional concept that will need to be explained when talking about the fediverse with a more general audience.
I feel like I'd probably be saying "instance, also called server" a lot, same as when I sometimes say "Mastodon and the larger fediverse".
Although, admittedly, I'm relying on personal and other anecdotal experience when I assume that less techy people are familiar with "servers". (Eg. Discord using the term, my own conversations at work with non-developers, etc.)
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I mean, I can definitely live with it. I just wonder if it's an additional concept that will need to be explained when talking about the fediverse with a more general audience.
I feel like I'd probably be saying "instance, also called server" a lot, same as when I sometimes say "Mastodon and the larger fediverse".
Although, admittedly, I'm relying on personal and other anecdotal experience when I assume that less techy people are familiar with "servers". (Eg. Discord using the term, my own conversations at work with non-developers, etc.)
@stefan @andypiper I meant, can we live with me leaving it on this poll? Actually, I shouldn't ask; I really rarely change polls once they've started.
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@stefan @andypiper I meant, can we live with me leaving it on this poll? Actually, I shouldn't ask; I really rarely change polls once they've started.
@evan Ahh, got it. Yes, changing it would just reset the votes, so definitely best to keep the current options.
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@evan@cosocial.ca @gaditb@icosahedron.website
I see illustrations like this of interconnected Fediverse platforms, kind of often, and from an end users point of view, it just isn't that true. E.g. I need a completely different user account for the "threadiverse" platforms (Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin/Piefed) versus all the blogging ones (Mastodon, Gotosocial, Wafrn, Pleroma, Misskey, etc.) and neither of those accounts get me logged into Mobilizon, etc. And claiming general interconnectedness & interoperability is way misleading to potential new users.
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Being a literal-minded person, I chose Instances (/servers) because that's what handles the data.
But an alternate graph might be best described with hashtags.
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