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  • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

    Remember, kids:

    In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

    It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

    This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

    #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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    #3

    @juergen_hubert well said!

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    • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

      Remember, kids:

      In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

      It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

      This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

      #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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      #4

      @juergen_hubert it goes the other way around as well. "No correlation has been found between doing X and outcome Y."

      "See! They can't prove it's false, gotcha!"

      Used in medicine a lot...

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      • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

        Remember, kids:

        In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

        It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

        This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

        #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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        #5

        @juergen_hubert A thought occurs: Older theories are often referred to as laws. Newton's laws of motion. The laws of thermodynamics. Presumably a relic from older and more confident ways of thinking about truth, but the problem is that we *still* call them laws.

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        • deedo@mastodon.nlD deedo@mastodon.nl

          @juergen_hubert it goes the other way around as well. "No correlation has been found between doing X and outcome Y."

          "See! They can't prove it's false, gotcha!"

          Used in medicine a lot...

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          #6

          @deedo
          Exactly. Although, in general using correlation to "prove" (and by extension "disprove") something is a very slippery slope at best. I always use this example when I'm explaining correlation:

          There is a perfect positive correlation between "being married" and "getting divorce", and even higher correlation between "being born" and "death", as you cannot have the latter without the former, and yet, neither means causality.

          @juergen_hubert

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          • mehrad@fosstodon.orgM mehrad@fosstodon.org

            @deedo
            Exactly. Although, in general using correlation to "prove" (and by extension "disprove") something is a very slippery slope at best. I always use this example when I'm explaining correlation:

            There is a perfect positive correlation between "being married" and "getting divorce", and even higher correlation between "being born" and "death", as you cannot have the latter without the former, and yet, neither means causality.

            @juergen_hubert

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            #7

            @Mehrad @juergen_hubert haha, I realized that and chose to stick with this wording anyway.

            But it's exactly this nuance and wording in probabilities instead of black and white exclamations! that gets misunderstood.

            I mean, "vaccines kill!¨ is so easily put. And science says: "Technically you are correct that in some cases ..."

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            • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

              Remember, kids:

              In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

              It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

              This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

              #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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              #8

              @juergen_hubert

              Sorry to be a pedant, a Law is the hardest it gets. You can't fuck around with the Laws of Gravity.
              Theories come and go and many are a work in progress: some withstand the test of experiment and observation better than others as the theory gets better and better at explaining all the facets of a phenomenon. However, as far as lay people are concerned, science as a constantly moving feast goes against the absolutism promoted by many non-scientists to justify the shit they come out with.

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              • uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.zaU uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za

                @juergen_hubert A thought occurs: Older theories are often referred to as laws. Newton's laws of motion. The laws of thermodynamics. Presumably a relic from older and more confident ways of thinking about truth, but the problem is that we *still* call them laws.

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                #9

                @uastronomer @juergen_hubert

                No Allen, the laws of thermodynamics, motion etc are mathematically describable. That's what makes them Laws. This is not a problem: the mathematical relationship is always that. There is no conjecture.

                Note that the word Law is applied to really fundamental things like gravity, motion etc.

                Hooke's Law - describes the behaviour of a spring under load. It never changes and applies to all springs, with the proviso that the elastic constant will depend on the material. But that's experimentally verificable.

                Many of these physical Laws (and chemical Laws) were elaborated in the 17th-19th Century. It wasn't a case of more confidence (think about their instruments compared to our), it was a case of observation-measurement over many cases.

                In contrast, only certain aspects of evolution are mathematically certain, the difference being that evolution refers to complex systems whereas a spring is a spring.

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                • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                  Remember, kids:

                  In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                  It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                  This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                  #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                  #10

                  @juergen_hubert All hail science!

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                  • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                    Remember, kids:

                    In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                    It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                    This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                    #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                    #11

                    @juergen_hubert
                    Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                    It was a theory until last century.

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                    • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                      Remember, kids:

                      In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                      It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                      This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                      #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                      #12

                      @juergen_hubert not sure we're going to be able to fix the colloquial fubar of this one.

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                      • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                        @juergen_hubert
                        Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                        It was a theory until last century.

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                        #13

                        @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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                        • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                          Remember, kids:

                          In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                          It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                          This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                          #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                          #14

                          @juergen_hubert Probably too many syllables in that ten dollar word you got there, "theory" works the same don't it? /s

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                          • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                            @juergen_hubert
                            Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                            It was a theory until last century.

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                            #15

                            @swoonie @juergen_hubert Yeh, this is the one example given in the OP that I wouldn't apply the word 'theory' to. It was conjecture at one time, maybe a hypothesis at some point, but it is a fact that global warming is happening, not a theory.

                            There are theories I've heard that it is something to do with burning fossil fuels...

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                            • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                              Remember, kids:

                              In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                              It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                              This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                              #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                              #16

                              @juergen_hubert
                              Yes, but then we have things like terrain theory which...eesh.

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                              • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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                                #17

                                @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                                We know this for sure. Period.

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                                • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                  @juergen_hubert
                                  Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                                  It was a theory until last century.

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                                  #18

                                  @swoonie

                                  the science is settled (tm)

                                  @juergen_hubert

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                                  • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                    @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                    It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                                    We know this for sure. Period.

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                                    #19

                                    @swoonie @lritter

                                    And that's what makes it a scientific theory.

                                    The "facts" are the observations. The "theory" is the tested explanation for those observations.

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

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                                    • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                      @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                      It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                                      We know this for sure. Period.

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                                      #20

                                      @swoonie @juergen_hubert

                                      > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

                                      fixed that for you.

                                      to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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                                      • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @swoonie @juergen_hubert

                                        > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

                                        fixed that for you.

                                        to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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                                        #21

                                        @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                        If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                                        Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                                        • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                          @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                          If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                                          Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                                          #22

                                          @swoonie @juergen_hubert tomorrow it's going to hit a word that matters to you professionally, as punishment for what you just said.

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