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People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts.

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.

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    #13

    @hacks4pancakes This is so spot on. I'm not in the same league as you for mentoring (by a long way) but I go above and beyond for mentees for the same reasons.

    @ludicity 's podcast with a CISO about the teaching exercises they set for mentees that only one person completed was instructional. (... rest of it was on point too)

    There also seems to be a heap of no effort/low effort cover letters now... is that not a thing anymore?

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    • plasticine_era@mastodon.socialP plasticine_era@mastodon.social

      @hacks4pancakes This is so spot on. I'm not in the same league as you for mentoring (by a long way) but I go above and beyond for mentees for the same reasons.

      @ludicity 's podcast with a CISO about the teaching exercises they set for mentees that only one person completed was instructional. (... rest of it was on point too)

      There also seems to be a heap of no effort/low effort cover letters now... is that not a thing anymore?

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      #14

      @plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.

      I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.

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      • ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.clubL ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.club

        @plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.

        I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.

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        #15

        @plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Oh, also @Viss was the guy I was talking to and he might opine here.

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        • ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.clubL ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.club

          @plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Oh, also @Viss was the guy I was talking to and he might opine here.

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          #16

          @ludicity @Viss Was a great pod. IMHO Lot's of infosec truths told on that one. Thanks for that. I enjoyed it. I had pretty much the same exercise predicates for my mentee group.

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          • ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.clubL ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.club

            @plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.

            I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.

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            #17

            @ludicity @hacks4pancakes Thanks. I suspected that might be the case. We still hand choose all our applications instead of just "Top 20 - AI Survey Says..".
            It's so distressing that hiring, being the most important decision you are going to make for your working life and the people working around you, is being gatekept by the word matching machine. I get it takes time away from the normal work to do it properly.... but spend the time FFS!!!
            Anyhoo... TED-talking to the converted. Sorry.

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            • plasticine_era@mastodon.socialP plasticine_era@mastodon.social

              @ludicity @Viss Was a great pod. IMHO Lot's of infosec truths told on that one. Thanks for that. I enjoyed it. I had pretty much the same exercise predicates for my mentee group.

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              #18

              @plasticine_era @ludicity thanks!

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              • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.

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                #19

                @hacks4pancakes
                Lots of folks might not realize that any job/gig where you interact with others has a very real “ #CustomerService “ component.

                I do tech kinda stuff for my “day job” and there’s a large amount of it that is simply getting folks what they need/want, though there are specific skills involved.
                #Politeness #listening #kindness etc

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                • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                  @plasticine_era @ludicity thanks!

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                  @plasticine_era @ludicity If you can think of anyone who might be able to use our help, please pass along a recco!

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                  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                    People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.

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                    #21

                    @hacks4pancakes

                    Next time a recruiter asks me if they can use AI to work my resume or AI anything, not worth my time a all.

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                    • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                      @plasticine_era @ludicity If you can think of anyone who might be able to use our help, please pass along a recco!

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                      #22

                      @Viss @ludicity 100% Will do

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