"why does the fridge have an internet connection?""So it can download security updates""Why does it need security updates?""To protect against new vulnerabilities""Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that...""Oh"
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404 media just dropped a story that ice and police can use AI based on a photo from Airbnb appliances to track people. It sounds so bizarre. so yeah, I want my appliances stupid, disconnected and useful. Enough surveillance tech.
@FranceskaMann @quixoticgeek
Yeah, more "doing the job" and "being repairable" and less "narcing on me for microwaving a burrito at 0345" -
@quixoticgeek but possibly so retailers can monitor and verify the temperatures across their coolchain storage, to ensure the food they sell is safe within the printed use by date. Also, perhaps to add one or two days to that shelf life? It's not entirely mad, but it does raise questions of the costs and benefits.
@AndyDearden @quixoticgeek
But, there is person monitoring and no person notified of the increase - what were they paying for? + their oosses will be covered by insurance but betting it creates shortages & consumers pay -
404 media just dropped a story that ice and police can use AI based on a photo from Airbnb appliances to track people. It sounds so bizarre. so yeah, I want my appliances stupid, disconnected and useful. Enough surveillance tech.
@FranceskaMann @EndlessMason @quixoticgeek this sadly does not depend on appliance smartness. It is just matching the appliance in the picture with photos from airbnb dot com
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek @KimSJ I imagine it's because the fridge has a camera.
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek but but but what if I'm at home and need to change the temperature in my fridge? That's a thing that people need to do regularly right? Right?
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it really pisses me off that my washing machine has a Wi-Fi signal. WTF. There is no need for that.
@FranceskaMann @quixoticgeek It pisses me off that my washing machine not only has wifi but that some of the functions are only accessible via the manufacturer's app, and even then some of the functions of the app are only available if you're using a (recent) phone made by the same company (looking at you Samsung).
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@FranceskaMann @EndlessMason @quixoticgeek this sadly does not depend on appliance smartness. It is just matching the appliance in the picture with photos from airbnb dot com
@qwazix @FranceskaMann @quixoticgeek
We have a combi washer/dryer - your move -
"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek Well, I work in a hospital when the fridge has an error it notifies the technical people. These fridges have some kind of network.
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@Brett @quixoticgeek as an American, our version has a gun by the printer—my elaboration on that is that the gun is of a traditional hammer-fired persuasion, has an explicit safety and whose design has been materially unchanged for decades.
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek
This is why I do not care that AI causes big big problems and keeps escaping.
Let it happen, let people start wondering if they need all this shit.
Fridges that tell you it is time to do the groceries ? > use your brain
Cars connected with the whole world (including Trump, Putin and Musk)? > we don’t need that
Etc etc etc
#DisconnectYourLifeFromTheInternet -
"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"Well said!
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek sure said update won't brick half nation's worth of appliance during the manufacturer's nation's main holiday while ß-testing a new fw delivery channel, right?
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek Our smart thermostat can connect to Spotify. So if we look at it one day and say OMG it's hot as hell, immediately the thermostat will start playing AC/DC? No thanks.
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek 100% das!
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek I spy a #greed why
LG means life is good, so why worry about your intimate experiences being banked on by your tv, or refrigerator? We all die, so why worry about Planned Obsolescence?
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek In my opinion, we've gotten to a point where (generally speaking, there are exceptions like kitchenaid mixers) the consumer appliance industry has gotten to a point where spending more gets you a worse product. Spending more doesn't buy you a higher quality product, it buys you more complexity and more gimmicks that just break or it buys you wifi connectivity that they use to lock basic features behind subscriptions.
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"why does the fridge have an internet connection?"
"So it can download security updates"
"Why does it need security updates?"
"To protect against new vulnerabilities"
"Surely if we didn't connect it to the internet, we wouldn't need that..."
"Oh"@quixoticgeek "Yeah but we're gonna" seems to be the tech bro answer
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@quixoticgeek In my opinion, we've gotten to a point where (generally speaking, there are exceptions like kitchenaid mixers) the consumer appliance industry has gotten to a point where spending more gets you a worse product. Spending more doesn't buy you a higher quality product, it buys you more complexity and more gimmicks that just break or it buys you wifi connectivity that they use to lock basic features behind subscriptions.
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@quixoticgeek I've always had "landlord spec" appliances. By that I mean if you look it up, it's the cheapest or close to the cheapest and most basic model that (insert brand, whirlpool in my current case) makes. Yet my fridge keeps my food cold. My oven heats to the temperature I told it to. My washing machine makes my clothes clean. My dishwasher cleans my dishes fantastically well. And none of them demand anything of me.
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@quixoticgeek I've always had "landlord spec" appliances. By that I mean if you look it up, it's the cheapest or close to the cheapest and most basic model that (insert brand, whirlpool in my current case) makes. Yet my fridge keeps my food cold. My oven heats to the temperature I told it to. My washing machine makes my clothes clean. My dishwasher cleans my dishes fantastically well. And none of them demand anything of me.
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@quixoticgeek Can I tell they are cheaper appliances and are there features I wish I had? Sure. My oven has no convect mode. The dishwasher and clothes washer are noisy. My fridge has no water or ice dispenser (though it does have an icemaker). But they all do the job they are designed to do very well. And I expect them to hold up decently because there's so little to go wrong, and if something does go wrong it will be cheaper to fix.
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@quixoticgeek Can I tell they are cheaper appliances and are there features I wish I had? Sure. My oven has no convect mode. The dishwasher and clothes washer are noisy. My fridge has no water or ice dispenser (though it does have an icemaker). But they all do the job they are designed to do very well. And I expect them to hold up decently because there's so little to go wrong, and if something does go wrong it will be cheaper to fix.
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@quixoticgeek The $2500 fancy oven with wifi and whatever else is not going to do a better job at being an oven than my $700 oven. Same with pretty much any other appliance. And the $700 one isn't gonna demand subscriptions and it will probably last much longer. So why would you buy the more expensive one.
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