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  • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

    @benroyce

    Let me counter with another question:
    Does Israel honor the borders of its neighbors (currently existing, neighboring nations)?

    If no, then you know a two-state solution is impossible.

    @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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    #121

    @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague they seem not to. That's why they need to throw this government and have a better government. But the truth is is that these arab states want this havoc that's why they are supporting it, palestinians are completely innocent in all this, they are just pawns. Arabs want to make believe that islamofobia is a thing and that islam is attacked and blaah blaah. I heard that Benjamin gave money to Hamas for Oct 7.

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    • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

      @benroyce

      Let me counter with another question:
      Does Israel honor the borders of its neighbors (currently existing, neighboring nations)?

      If no, then you know a two-state solution is impossible.

      @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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      #122

      @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague They don't want this to end, these big money arab states and Israel. That's what I believe. It was weird when I read that Israel wanted to give Palestine to Jordan (or was it Egypt?) but they didn't want it. If they would have f*king taken it then they could have made it their own state and then they could've had peace, morons. But yeah muslims care so much about eachother lol

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      • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

        @benroyce

        Let me counter with another question:
        Does Israel honor the borders of its neighbors (currently existing, neighboring nations)?

        If no, then you know a two-state solution is impossible.

        @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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        #123

        @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague sorry If it makes you uncomfortable that I talk so much s**t about muslims but I'm from a muslim family so hopefully I'm allowed. Hopefully I won't get blocked. Just fyi I hate all religions. I'm not a right wing "I love christianity and hate islam"

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        • thatfeministwoman@mastodon.socialT thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social

          @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague sorry If it makes you uncomfortable that I talk so much s**t about muslims but I'm from a muslim family so hopefully I'm allowed. Hopefully I won't get blocked. Just fyi I hate all religions. I'm not a right wing "I love christianity and hate islam"

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          #124

          @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

          i didn't think you were

          i'm not saying anything because i'm not muslim. nor ex-muslim. nor able to speak authoritatively on any of these topics. if i said anything, i'd just say something stupid

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          • thatfeministwoman@mastodon.socialT thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social

            @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague sorry If it makes you uncomfortable that I talk so much s**t about muslims but I'm from a muslim family so hopefully I'm allowed. Hopefully I won't get blocked. Just fyi I hate all religions. I'm not a right wing "I love christianity and hate islam"

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            #125

            @Thatfeministwoman

            Eh. Fair use.

            To be perfectly clear: conservative politicians who claim to be "religious" are always always always scum.

            Doesn't matter if they're buddhist or christian or jewish or muslim or animists or whatever.

            And as an atheist, I also have to point out that most atheist "leaders" are scum also.

            And funnily enough, they all seem to have been buddies with Epstein.
            @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

              i didn't think you were

              i'm not saying anything because i'm not muslim. nor ex-muslim. nor able to speak authoritatively on any of these topics. if i said anything, i'd just say something stupid

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              #126

              @benroyce I was saying to the other guy (?) cause I felt like next he was gonna scold me for it

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              • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                @Thatfeministwoman

                Eh. Fair use.

                To be perfectly clear: conservative politicians who claim to be "religious" are always always always scum.

                Doesn't matter if they're buddhist or christian or jewish or muslim or animists or whatever.

                And as an atheist, I also have to point out that most atheist "leaders" are scum also.

                And funnily enough, they all seem to have been buddies with Epstein.
                @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                #127

                @androcat @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

                i don't have a problem with any religion

                i have a problem with all religious fundamentalists and extremists, of any religion, and as you indicate, irreligion. zealots come in a zillion flavors

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                • thatfeministwoman@mastodon.socialT thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce I was saying to the other guy (?) cause I felt like next he was gonna scold me for it

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                  #128

                  @Thatfeministwoman

                  sorry! 😂 i'll shut up

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                  • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                    @Thatfeministwoman

                    Eh. Fair use.

                    To be perfectly clear: conservative politicians who claim to be "religious" are always always always scum.

                    Doesn't matter if they're buddhist or christian or jewish or muslim or animists or whatever.

                    And as an atheist, I also have to point out that most atheist "leaders" are scum also.

                    And funnily enough, they all seem to have been buddies with Epstein.
                    @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                    #129

                    @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague but you cannot kind of compare atheists and religions. The only common with atheists is that they don't believe in god. The common them of religions is they believe the horrible scripture and want to live by them and want everybody else also to do it. Wars have started because of religions, people have been thrown out of their countries because of religions. Women are killed and raped because of religion

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                    • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                      @Thatfeministwoman

                      Eh. Fair use.

                      To be perfectly clear: conservative politicians who claim to be "religious" are always always always scum.

                      Doesn't matter if they're buddhist or christian or jewish or muslim or animists or whatever.

                      And as an atheist, I also have to point out that most atheist "leaders" are scum also.

                      And funnily enough, they all seem to have been buddies with Epstein.
                      @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                      #130

                      @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague I probably have a very unpopular opinion (😂😬) but I support Karelia state and for Finnish & Russians to go to their countries and I also support Sapme to have their country and Finnish, Norwegian, Swedish to go to their countries. Native America going back to being Natives only and white europeans going back where their ancestors came from. Greenland telling Danish people to go to Denmark etc

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                      • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                        @Thatfeministwoman

                        Eh. Fair use.

                        To be perfectly clear: conservative politicians who claim to be "religious" are always always always scum.

                        Doesn't matter if they're buddhist or christian or jewish or muslim or animists or whatever.

                        And as an atheist, I also have to point out that most atheist "leaders" are scum also.

                        And funnily enough, they all seem to have been buddies with Epstein.
                        @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                        #131

                        @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague that's why I call myself Radical Leftist 😂

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                        • thatfeministwoman@mastodon.socialT thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social

                          @androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague but you cannot kind of compare atheists and religions. The only common with atheists is that they don't believe in god. The common them of religions is they believe the horrible scripture and want to live by them and want everybody else also to do it. Wars have started because of religions, people have been thrown out of their countries because of religions. Women are killed and raped because of religion

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                          #132

                          @Thatfeministwoman

                          I didn't compare their beliefs.

                          In fact, I never spoke of beliefs at all.

                          I spoke about "leaders" and "conservative politicians".

                          That's the real problem (always), and religion (or whatever) is always just an excuse.

                          People who want to get power as "spokespeople" are always bad.

                          @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                            #133

                            @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague Ironically, the Jewish ultra-nationalist conflation of Judaism with unconditional support for Israel, is among the reasons for growing antisemitism worldwide, because it portrays Jews - a majority of whom in the diaspora are opposed to what's happening in Palestine, Lebanon etc. - as one monolithic bloc who all share some responsibility for apartheid, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide.

                            In other words, it puts Jewish people everywhere at risk.

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                            • P pizzadoesntexist@mastodon.social

                              @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague israel wants it all. palestine wants it all. in 3000 years that region has only known a few periods of peace longer than 100 years (there were still skirmishes and revolts).

                              as reasonable as your suggestion sounds, unfortunately sustained peace is not possible in that region. best you can hope for is a temporary hault in hostilities, with a new flare up in a few years.

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                              #134

                              @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague The historical conflicts in the levant are exagerated. For centuries under the Ottoman Empire, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish communities lived side-by-side in relative stability. Before that there was good coexistance, except when Crusaders stirred shit up.
                              Coexistance has deteriorated as Zionists started going there.
                              A sole Democratic state is the solution, not walls and bullets.

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                              • dacig@mastodon.socialD dacig@mastodon.social

                                @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague The historical conflicts in the levant are exagerated. For centuries under the Ottoman Empire, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish communities lived side-by-side in relative stability. Before that there was good coexistance, except when Crusaders stirred shit up.
                                Coexistance has deteriorated as Zionists started going there.
                                A sole Democratic state is the solution, not walls and bullets.

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                                #135

                                @dacig

                                Indeed. The middle east has war because the US has wanted it to have war.
                                Before that, the UK wanted it to have war.
                                Before that, it was the christian nations that wanted to murder all arabs.

                                Israel is ultimately just a pawn that has started to play its player.

                                @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

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                                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce thanks for the info. I read her whole Instagram multipost, and I think she makes an unfortunate conclusion when she does not recognize that you can be confronting the Israeli government without being against the Jews.

                                  She is millimeters from accusing Macklemore of antisemitism just because he criticises genocide. In my view, it is HER connecting Jews in general with the acts of Israel — not him — and that is really unfortunate.

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                                  #136

                                  @randahl @benroyce

                                  When she refers to “standing up for my own people“, is she referring to the IDF or Jews, or is she conflating them?

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

                                    the only way forward is for the world to agree on a two state solution, then move in militarily and impose it on either side, then sit there for 50 years, at least

                                    something like intervention in the balkans in the 1990s, then a DMZ like on the korean penninsula

                                    i feel it is the only thing that will work

                                    but that is gargantuan ask of the world to do. and there is little will to do it

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                                    #137

                                    @benroyce @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague So If I come to your House and claim 1/2 of it you are ok with that?

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                                    • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

                                      @aral @randahl @benroyce
                                      This point needs to be stressed again and again. Netanyahu is deliberately conflating hate for his Government with antisemitism, to the serious detriment of Jews everywhere. It’s a cynical move to make Jews outside Israel feel less safe and thus more likely to support Zionism. What an evil man Netanyahu is!

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                                      #138

                                      @KimSJ @randahl @benroyce It’s not just Netanyahu. Netanyahu doesn’t implement Israeli policy by himself. He didn’t murder twenty thousand children. He hasn’t even murdered a single child personally. Yes, he’s evil. But he’s far from the only one.

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                                      • linuxrocks2024@mastodon.socialL linuxrocks2024@mastodon.social

                                        @benroyce @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague So If I come to your House and claim 1/2 of it you are ok with that?

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                                        #139

                                        @linuxrocks2024 @pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague I'm talking about 2 states. I don't even understand what you're talking about. Look at a map maybe?

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @randahl @FrancoisPrague

                                          #Pink deserves to be mentioned because it was Pink who triggered this entire drama. it was her who brought to the recent forefront criticism of #Macklemore for his support for #Palestine, he has been doing this on stage for years

                                          also: she claims to be defending Jews. this isn't about Jews or antisemitism, it's about #Israel's actions

                                          and I don't know when this world will finally understand the radioactively obvious fucking difference

                                          https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/music/music-news/pink-anti-macklemore-palestine-post-1236698412/

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                                          @benroyce @randahl @FrancoisPrague

                                          Really disappointed in Pink. I expected better from her. I never had much of an opinion on Ed Sheeran or Macklemore, but now I do.

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