Own goal of the century:
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@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the way i understand that incident is he used a random disguise, in his words, and he apologized for the confusion of appearing to be antisemitic
now you could take him at his word
or insist he was an antisemite and a liar
either way, his statement on antisemitism two days ago shows a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, and that it is wrong
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
So he is able to have a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, but this "random disguise" passed his screening ?
"I have a clear understanding of nazism but it appear this random drawing I made is a what ? A svastika ? Sorry I thought it was a budhist symbol."
Addition : for the nazi salute, did he sent hearts, made a "random gesture" or "the camera took the wrong image and he was doing something totally different ?
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Own goal of the century:
British singer and songwriter Ed Sheeran's Loop tour boots American rapper Macklemore, after Macklemore condemns Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Result:
American singer Fineas quits the Loop tour.
Dublin singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe quits.
Danish pop singer Lucas Graham quits.
Ed Sheeran's own backing band Beoga quits.
The tour was supposed to continue until December, but all that is left is Ed Sheeran and the support for Israel's genocide.
@randahl GOOD.
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@sous_mon_masque Ooooooof.
(But he did condemn genocide, more recently. But now I suspect I know what its motivation is
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
So he is able to have a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, but this "random disguise" passed his screening ?
"I have a clear understanding of nazism but it appear this random drawing I made is a what ? A svastika ? Sorry I thought it was a budhist symbol."
Addition : for the nazi salute, did he sent hearts, made a "random gesture" or "the camera took the wrong image and he was doing something totally different ?
@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
he said he used a witch nose and a beard and a wig to sneak in unnoticed
did he immediately launch into an antisemitic tirade?
no
so it is plausible he was a moron about it
it's also plausible he was an antisemite and a liar and you are right
i'm not going to make a judgment either way, and look to his words from two days ago
but we live in a world where people are canceled forever in snap judgment, zero caution, so do as you do
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@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
he said he used a witch nose and a beard and a wig to sneak in unnoticed
did he immediately launch into an antisemitic tirade?
no
so it is plausible he was a moron about it
it's also plausible he was an antisemite and a liar and you are right
i'm not going to make a judgment either way, and look to his words from two days ago
but we live in a world where people are canceled forever in snap judgment, zero caution, so do as you do
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
And made that decision.@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
And this nose ? To "go unnoticed" ?
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@aral @randahl @benroyce
This point needs to be stressed again and again. Netanyahu is deliberately conflating hate for his Government with antisemitism, to the serious detriment of Jews everywhere. It’s a cynical move to make Jews outside Israel feel less safe and thus more likely to support Zionism. What an evil man Netanyahu is! -
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
And made that decision.@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
finneas, graham and rowe all quit, so no for them: they're in macklemore's camp
as for canceling sheeran, the issue there is him caving to plutocrat douchebags, whatever you think about israel or palestine, and for that reason i *criticize* him, i don't cancel him
of course, plenty of others will cancel ed
that's what people do nowadays
instant casting into the pits of hell on every snap judgment
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
And this nose ? To "go unnoticed" ?
@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
i already said: you can accept macklemore's explanation and his apology and consider him a moron, or you can consider him a liar and an antisemite. i don't care. do whatever you want
for me, i will refer to his words on antisemitism from two days ago
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@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
thank you
israel has a right to exist
palestine has a right to exist
the *only* way forward is a two state solution
but neither seems capable of working that out
israelis and palestinians were murdering each other long before i was born, and probably long after i'm dead
unless...
what?
i feel the two state solution has to be imposed on them by the world
but that is a *huge* ask
so we are stuck
Israelis have been murdering Palestinians (overwhelmingly) for just 70 years.
We have to admit that zionism was a mistake.
Will there be a place for a "jewish ethnostate" in the middle-east?
That is not a given. If it can only be maintained with an endless stream of US bombs, then maybe there shouldn't be?
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
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@Uair it’s heckin complicated. A lot of non-Jewish people don’t understand that Israel is separate from Judaism. I’ve had to explain to very good pals that I didn’t have any connection to or sympathy for Israel, that my Judaism was entirely disconnected from Israel. That branding campaign has been extremely successful and problematic because they aren’t one & the same. @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@wendinoakland @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Sorry to hear that. I'm atheist, but read a ton of Jews. Not one of 'em supports this shit. They're fairly quiet about it as public figures. They don't want to get attacked by the ADL. I think something like 70% or Israel has been out to protest Bennie in the past couple years.
But you don't have to worry about me. You, and I, need to worry about the dumb thug on the street who likes hurting people way more than he likes thinking about things. And I can see Bennie making that worse, by a lot.
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Israelis have been murdering Palestinians (overwhelmingly) for just 70 years.
We have to admit that zionism was a mistake.
Will there be a place for a "jewish ethnostate" in the middle-east?
That is not a given. If it can only be maintained with an endless stream of US bombs, then maybe there shouldn't be?
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@androcat @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the problem with those words is you are supporting one of the 2 maximalist positions: the area completely palestinian (the other: the area completely israeli)
both maximalist positions lead to a river of blood
so no, i reject your words
the only way forward, unless you love death and suffering, is a 2 state solution
understand that and join us at the 2 state table
or admit what you are really supporting
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Own goal of the century:
British singer and songwriter Ed Sheeran's Loop tour boots American rapper Macklemore, after Macklemore condemns Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Result:
American singer Fineas quits the Loop tour.
Dublin singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe quits.
Danish pop singer Lucas Graham quits.
Ed Sheeran's own backing band Beoga quits.
The tour was supposed to continue until December, but all that is left is Ed Sheeran and the support for Israel's genocide.
@randahl I just hitted the "don't play this artist" button on Spotify
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@androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague build a wall instead k*lling them or taking their lands. Or maybe they could have had 50% of the land and Palestine the other 50? I don't know If that's just a dream
@Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague israel wants it all. palestine wants it all. in 3000 years that region has only known a few periods of peace longer than 100 years (there were still skirmishes and revolts).
as reasonable as your suggestion sounds, unfortunately sustained peace is not possible in that region. best you can hope for is a temporary hault in hostilities, with a new flare up in a few years.
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@Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague israel wants it all. palestine wants it all. in 3000 years that region has only known a few periods of peace longer than 100 years (there were still skirmishes and revolts).
as reasonable as your suggestion sounds, unfortunately sustained peace is not possible in that region. best you can hope for is a temporary hault in hostilities, with a new flare up in a few years.
@pizzadoesntexist @Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the only way forward is for the world to agree on a two state solution, then move in militarily and impose it on either side, then sit there for 50 years, at least
something like intervention in the balkans in the 1990s, then a DMZ like on the korean penninsula
i feel it is the only thing that will work
but that is gargantuan ask of the world to do. and there is little will to do it
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@androcat @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the problem with those words is you are supporting one of the 2 maximalist positions: the area completely palestinian (the other: the area completely israeli)
both maximalist positions lead to a river of blood
so no, i reject your words
the only way forward, unless you love death and suffering, is a 2 state solution
understand that and join us at the 2 state table
or admit what you are really supporting
Israel will never stop the river of blood for as long as Israel exists.
Why should they? The river of blood is how they got that land in the first place.
They have no right to it.
It was forced through by antisemites in germany and the UK - remember: Hitler's Plan A was relocation.
If there is a compromise to be found, it has to be one where nobody has any right to murder over land.
A south-african solution, with a commission to address all crimes, punish all criminals, restore all ownership, bring back all displaced peoples.
A situation where "Israelis" have to behave to be allowed to remain.
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
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@Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague israel wants it all. palestine wants it all. in 3000 years that region has only known a few periods of peace longer than 100 years (there were still skirmishes and revolts).
as reasonable as your suggestion sounds, unfortunately sustained peace is not possible in that region. best you can hope for is a temporary hault in hostilities, with a new flare up in a few years.
@pizzadoesntexist @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague I'm hoping that the new generation will stop the cycle of violence and reject spreading hate / participating in it. Just as with Kosovo & Serbia. I hope these 4 countries will choose peace and learn to live in harmony. I hope the new generations will also demand this from the government.
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@lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
yes, #antisemitism is on the rise in the world
so we talk about it and we oppose it
we *also* talk about and we oppose #Israel's genocidal actions
we do both
and those are completely unrelated, uncrossed topics
except in the words of complete idiots and manipulative liars
@benroyce Thank you for persistently and clearly banging this drum. Multiple things can be true at once.
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Israel will never stop the river of blood for as long as Israel exists.
Why should they? The river of blood is how they got that land in the first place.
They have no right to it.
It was forced through by antisemites in germany and the UK - remember: Hitler's Plan A was relocation.
If there is a compromise to be found, it has to be one where nobody has any right to murder over land.
A south-african solution, with a commission to address all crimes, punish all criminals, restore all ownership, bring back all displaced peoples.
A situation where "Israelis" have to behave to be allowed to remain.
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@androcat @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
androcat:
are there going to be two states in your formulation?
yes or no
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Israel will never stop the river of blood for as long as Israel exists.
Why should they? The river of blood is how they got that land in the first place.
They have no right to it.
It was forced through by antisemites in germany and the UK - remember: Hitler's Plan A was relocation.
If there is a compromise to be found, it has to be one where nobody has any right to murder over land.
A south-african solution, with a commission to address all crimes, punish all criminals, restore all ownership, bring back all displaced peoples.
A situation where "Israelis" have to behave to be allowed to remain.
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@androcat @benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague but jewish are from that place, so why can't they be there? I don't understand your point of view. Then there are jewish "arabs" or whatever you wanna call them who's grandparents grandparents were born there. And what "violence" did they do to get there? Ottomans gave Palestine to British and British gave it to Israelis and palestinians
