1/3 of my class used AI on the most recent paper in my Critical Thinking class.
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@forestfern There is a non-zero chance that at this time next year I will be writing here with ribbon ink-stained hands and a ferocious addiction to white-out.
@rjblaskiewicz @forestfern ferocious addiction to white-out. My first band name.
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@rjblaskiewicz typewriters? Why not hand written? I know teachers who do 100% of writing assignments in class, with pen & paper.
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@drahardja @lastofthem I wonder if it would not be useful, for deciphering handwriting, to use ... an AI...
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@rjblaskiewicz if not typewriters, then perhaps copperplate.
(Full disclosure: I'm learning copperplate)
@flipper @rjblaskiewicz Have ever tried to decipher dysgraphic's handwriting?
At school we were taught https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Psac%C3%AD_p%C3%ADsmo.gif
I had to customize it to be able to read what I've written...
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Fingers crossed on a typewriter comeback.
Not too long ago I watched an interesting documentary on typewriters that featured a man who has a store that provides typewriter maintenance. You may want to call him:
@forestfern @rjblaskiewicz Do you know if there are typewriters with Dvorak layout? I'm not going back to QWERTY based layouts...
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@rjblaskiewicz I remember those timed typing tests, too. No computers in our classes. I recall I once beat the class that were using the IBM Selectrics (super awesome electric typewriter!) when I used the Royal manual typewriter. There was a certain groove you could get into on those heavy metal typewriters.
I forgot about this until you mentioned typewriters tonight. Thank you.
@rjblaskiewicz @forestfern growing up, we had an Olympic manual. I hated that machine and I still don’t do touch typing.
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1/3 of my class used AI on the most recent paper in my Critical Thinking class. This is a disaster. I caught one when it confidently made up a quote in an article I know better than anything I've ever written myself. I looked at the document history, and the whole paper appeared less than a minute after the document was created.
From now on, even looking at AI is cheating in my classes. No second chances. Seriously, we need to go back to typewriter labs.
@rjblaskiewicz 1/3 amusing at the lack of even a basic understanding of thinking, critical or otherwiae and 2/3 quiet desperation that this may be our collective future as these people and thousands like them are turned loose on an unsuspecting public with ever more damaging tools that they consider aids to boost their own cleverness.
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1/3 of my class used AI on the most recent paper in my Critical Thinking class. This is a disaster. I caught one when it confidently made up a quote in an article I know better than anything I've ever written myself. I looked at the document history, and the whole paper appeared less than a minute after the document was created.
From now on, even looking at AI is cheating in my classes. No second chances. Seriously, we need to go back to typewriter labs.
@rjblaskiewicz My son was recently told in his college freshman English class that he was probably "too advanced" for the class when he told the professor he'd rather *not* use AI to help write his papers, after it was suggested the whole class do so. He's definitely not "too advanced", he has a diagnosed learning disability with writing. Professor has just given up.
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@rjblaskiewicz My son was recently told in his college freshman English class that he was probably "too advanced" for the class when he told the professor he'd rather *not* use AI to help write his papers, after it was suggested the whole class do so. He's definitely not "too advanced", he has a diagnosed learning disability with writing. Professor has just given up.
@technothrasher That instructor is in the wrong business.
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You'd have to train it on an extensive sample of the writing of every individual student to get reasonably accuracy. We have hundreds of students per class.@wim_v12e @PH7831 @drahardja @lastofthem Haven't national mail services used handwriting recognition for decades?
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My university has gone back to invigilated pen-and-paper exams.@wim_v12e @lastofthem I'm sure LLMs are a powerful force, but I'm not sure we know what they're a powerful force for yet.
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@flipper @rjblaskiewicz Have ever tried to decipher dysgraphic's handwriting?
At school we were taught https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Psac%C3%AD_p%C3%ADsmo.gif
I had to customize it to be able to read what I've written...
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@Legit_Spaghetti @rjblaskiewicz and we will now dissect Timmy's paper phrase by phrase to examine why he has failed.
When I was at uni the main, and very minor, concern was occasional light plagiarism. Now it seems as if it's a whole fiction industry.Right. It used to be that extensive plagiarism meant doing as much work as writing the damned paper. Not anymore.
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@technothrasher That instructor is in the wrong business.
@rjblaskiewicz That was my general conclusion as well. I can sympathize with the frustration of trying to deal with an incoming class of students who have all been using AI through their entire high school career now, but just giving up is not the way.
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@forestfern There is a non-zero chance that at this time next year I will be writing here with ribbon ink-stained hands and a ferocious addiction to white-out.
@rjblaskiewicz @forestfern
teletypes are essentially just typewriters attached to a computer...could one post to Mastodon from a teletype?
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@wim_v12e @PH7831 @drahardja @lastofthem Haven't national mail services used handwriting recognition for decades?
@rjblaskiewicz @wim_v12e @drahardja @lastofthem I guess some would call it an handwriting recognition AI now, and will charge it thrice the price.
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@rjblaskiewicz @forestfern
teletypes are essentially just typewriters attached to a computer...could one post to Mastodon from a teletype?I loved listening to Teletypes print at a radio station I was at back in the mid-80s. Weather reports, sports, etc. Essentially a newsfeed printed on paper. Still with issues with the ink ribbons and paper jams. One typist could blast reports out across the world.
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@wim_v12e @PH7831 @drahardja @lastofthem Haven't national mail services used handwriting recognition for decades?
@rjblaskiewicz @wim_v12e @PH7831 @drahardja @lastofthem for a very specific set of possible texts
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1/3 of my class used AI on the most recent paper in my Critical Thinking class. This is a disaster. I caught one when it confidently made up a quote in an article I know better than anything I've ever written myself. I looked at the document history, and the whole paper appeared less than a minute after the document was created.
From now on, even looking at AI is cheating in my classes. No second chances. Seriously, we need to go back to typewriter labs.
@rjblaskiewicz My English teacher from 1984 assumed using a computer to write papers was cheating - she thought it was writing papers for me. I explained it was just a writing tool like a typewriter that made editing easier.
42 years later and she is correct.
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1/3 of my class used AI on the most recent paper in my Critical Thinking class. This is a disaster. I caught one when it confidently made up a quote in an article I know better than anything I've ever written myself. I looked at the document history, and the whole paper appeared less than a minute after the document was created.
From now on, even looking at AI is cheating in my classes. No second chances. Seriously, we need to go back to typewriter labs.
Most days, I spend an hour or two writing about something I'm trying to learn, because I find it the best way to make the long-term changes in my brain that constitute learning.
IDK if your students know how unimportant grades are. I have never been asked for grades; at most for the degree certificate. I have never asked people I hired for grades. Maybe they will be asked for their first job when they don't have employment history. Or maybe to continue in academia.
But having those skills matter. Most jobs have a probationary period and they won't keep the job if they don't have the skills.
It seems AI
usage is going to force major changes in our education systems. I hope we apply some critical thinking to the purposes of education from the points of view first of students, then of wider society, then of employers.
