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What We Misunderstand About Pre-Industrial Craftsmanship by Vic Tesolin

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  • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

    @impactology I’m lucky in that I don’t because I’m in my 60s. My generation and the one after me is pumping a huge river of shit on young people. I hope they find ways to stay out of its strongest currents, because submitting to them will wash them away

    @Npars01

    https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115528012100649771

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    #23

    @urlyman @Npars01

    Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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    • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

      @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 being senior holds no weight if you aren’t toeing the line

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      #24

      @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

      Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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      • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

        @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

        Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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        #25

        @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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        • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

          @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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          #26

          @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

          Ah got it, yes you're right.

          Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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          • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

            @urlyman @Npars01

            Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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            #27

            @impactology yep

            @Npars01

            https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115915898771966907

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            • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

              @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

              Ah got it, yes you're right.

              Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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              #28

              @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

              Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

              https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

              We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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              • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

                https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

                We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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                #29

                @impactology the future of UI is less complex, but we will explore making it more complicated first 😉

                @fasterandworse @Npars01

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                • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                  @meltedcheese @Npars01

                  Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                  https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                  Or any of these domains below?

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                  #30

                  @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                  • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                    @meltedcheese @Npars01

                    Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                    https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                    Or any of these domains below?

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                    #31

                    @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                    • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                      @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                      #32

                      @meltedcheese @impactology

                      Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                      More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                      It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                      It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                      https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                      https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                      https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                      https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                      https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                        @meltedcheese @impactology

                        Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                        More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                        It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                        It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                        https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                        https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                        https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                        https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                        https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                        #33

                        @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                        • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                          @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                          #34

                          @meltedcheese @impactology

                          https://gijn.org/stories/gijc25-uncover-transnational-scam-operations/

                          https://www.fastcompany.com/91460661/deepfakes-business-supply-chain-risk-executives

                          https://www.cfo.com/news/advanced-generative-ai-cyber-fraud-rose-118-last-year/739157/

                          https://www.reuters.com/practical-law-the-journal/transactional/ai-supply-chain-2025-06-01/

                          https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/minimizing-risks-of-criminal-exposure-to-scam-compounds-in-corporate-supply-chains/

                          https://www.techradar.com/pro/how-phishing-attacks-are-hitting-the-supply-chain-and-how-to-fight-back

                          https://www.globaltrademag.com/supply-chain-instability-opens-the-door-to-ai-powered-fraud/

                          https://securitybrief.com.au/story/australian-businesses-lose-aud-2-03-billion-as-ai-scams-surge

                          https://www.paymentsjournal.com/the-payment-process-the-supply-chains-most-overlooked-cyber-risk/

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                          • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                            @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                            @meltedcheese @impactology

                            Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                            https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                            Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                            He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                            If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                              @meltedcheese @impactology

                              Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                              https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                              Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                              He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                              If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                              @Npars01 @meltedcheese @impactology

                              This is ridiculous. An AI app to "help" poor people?

                              What people need is affordable, safe, clean housing, with long-term leases or reasonable mortgages. Then once they have this financial and mental stability, the people can take it from there, themselves. They don't need a phone app that exploits them and sells their personal data.

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                              • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                                #37

                                @meltedcheese @Npars01 That's amazing you invented an entirely new solution! Can you share more details on that, what was the problem & how did you arrive at the solution?

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