I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
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@EdCates @johnzajac This is honestly one of my (least) favourite things about "liberal society". You can say to a friend "fuckin' gorgeous night we're having here, innit?" in earshot of a cop in a bad mood, and find yourself with a breach-of-the-peace fine. Or you can shit out one of the most hateful sentences ever uttered, but do it with the tone of civility, and you'll get published on the BBC News as a "respected author".
"Civility" is just shorthand for "a mechanism, defined in the moment, the absence of which becomes the excuse to silence those who have been traumatised by the systems which make rich people rich, less they say or do something inconvenient to those systems".
@McCovican @johnzajac Spot on.
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@McCovican @johnzajac Spot on.
Probably not a coincidence that the liberal also prioritizes paying the cop over funding NHS.
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
USA Liberals and the far right, when the time comes, will always ally with one another temporarily when the alternative is a revolutionary winning. Because USA liberalism is founded on the contradiction of a "free country" that profits off of slavery and the expropriation of working class people
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USA Liberals and the far right, when the time comes, will always ally with one another temporarily when the alternative is a revolutionary winning. Because USA liberalism is founded on the contradiction of a "free country" that profits off of slavery and the expropriation of working class people
@individeweal @johnzajac I would also extend this to European liberalism (and to a lesser extent social democracy)
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@individeweal @johnzajac I would also extend this to European liberalism (and to a lesser extent social democracy)
Liberals aren't liberal anymore. They never were. And this is why I can't deal with their shit.
They talk about their high minded ideals, but they will choose capital over their principles every time. They will choose their own class interests over the material needs of the population as a whole
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac the ultimate issue is that the AI supporters would like to tone police us?
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
fwiw i don't read this as "liberals are the enemy" but rather "this is a common liberal fallacy which is what can make liberals such a problematic and unreliable ally"
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Liberals aren't liberal anymore. They never were. And this is why I can't deal with their shit.
They talk about their high minded ideals, but they will choose capital over their principles every time. They will choose their own class interests over the material needs of the population as a whole
@burnoutqueen @individeweal @johnzajac i dont think liberals arent liberals. Capitalism adopted liberal speech to justify itself, and it camuflates the real liberal speech. Bc they use the same words & the same sentences that we used for a real context. Now they add it to every speech to "seem liberal" because the old autoritarism speech now is so easy to spot. Capitalism needs new ways to seem reliable and be more attractive and try to get disguised as something with liberal values.
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@johnzajac thanks for this. Reminded me of this piece by lovely Tauriq, around the time people were punching Nazis in the face on the street (instead of electing them, giving them tour dates and the like)
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2017/jan/31/the-punch-a-nazi-meme-what-are-the-ethics-of-punching-nazis@noodlemaz @johnzajac we regret to inform you that people were, in fact, electing fascists in 2017
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@noodlemaz @johnzajac we regret to inform you that people were, in fact, electing fascists in 2017
@ratsnakegames @johnzajac true, wasn't as long ago as I thought. Still, you should read it, I have it bookmarked for when the All Violence Is Equally Bad chumps come out
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@ratsnakegames @johnzajac true, wasn't as long ago as I thought. Still, you should read it, I have it bookmarked for when the All Violence Is Equally Bad chumps come out
@noodlemaz @johnzajac pretty sure i read it at the time
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac As the saying goes, "liberals are like dogs: they only understand tone but not the substance".
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac Full alt text:
Screenshot of a thread on Masto.
Dare Obasanjo (@carnage4life) says:
Mastodon as a community is quite hostile to Al and anything that isn't a criticism of Al is viewed with skepticism at best and typically with hostility as the default.
It's unfortunate because, as in your Mozilla example, there is still time to shape how Al is used in our industry. It's better to engage and try to influence it versus stick your head in the sand and have the change thrusted upon you.Evan Prodromou (@evan) replies:
well, bless their hearts for posting through it. There are some more troubling threads in their stream, especially when they highlight team members.Shauna GM (@shauna) replies:
It is unfortunately very easy to convince yourself that abuse and harrassment are OK as long as they're in service of a morally just cause.Scott Jenson (@scottjenson) replies:
There you have it. My concern in a nutshellTop post is dated April 5th 2026.
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But that's not even the most planet-destroying liberal thing about Scott Jensen's takes on "AI" discourse on Mastodon:
He also thinks that "AI" propagandists are just like Black people facing racism here and that excluding AI zealots is *the same* as not creating safe and positive spaces for maginalized people.
It's literally one of the whitest, most liberal posts I've *ever read*.
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@johnzajac Full alt text:
Scott Jenson (@scottjenson) says:
As this conversation is spiraling a bit I want to make a few things clear:
1. I'd like Mastodon to be MORE inclusive and bring in more voices
2. Some people don't seem to want that
3. This is core problem to solve: How do we let more in, but not “pollute” your feed?
4. The solution is not "gatekeeping", revelling in the fact that Al journalists aren't welcome
5. This is the same reason we lost "Black Twitter" when it came over in 2022Yes, a lot of you don't want AI posts in your feed (or pick any other topic) but the solution isn't to keep "Al People" from joining Mastodon, any more than it is keeping marginalized communities off of Mastodon.
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@johnzajac Full alt text:
Scott Jenson (@scottjenson) says:
As this conversation is spiraling a bit I want to make a few things clear:
1. I'd like Mastodon to be MORE inclusive and bring in more voices
2. Some people don't seem to want that
3. This is core problem to solve: How do we let more in, but not “pollute” your feed?
4. The solution is not "gatekeeping", revelling in the fact that Al journalists aren't welcome
5. This is the same reason we lost "Black Twitter" when it came over in 2022Yes, a lot of you don't want AI posts in your feed (or pick any other topic) but the solution isn't to keep "Al People" from joining Mastodon, any more than it is keeping marginalized communities off of Mastodon.
Thank you!
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And because of how *useful* this fallacious moral position is, this blindness to injustice and obsession with false unity, they've been *reinforced* in their wrongness for a half century.
Basically, this shit is *deeply woven into their identities*, to the point where they'd rather the Holocaust happen again than people treat the AfD with too much disrespect. Because that's what *being an adult* is, and God knows we need more adulting like that in this fucked world of ours.
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@johnzajac Does this overlap with the notion that maybe the ACLU shouldn't be using their resources to defend the freedom of speech of Nazis?
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac thank you for this esp since things are indeed getting worse, i.e. this non-argument you're correctly fighting against is popping up all over. Like I talk about this and it's called "shaming" etc. https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357303546392362
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@johnzajac What a horrible gaslighty abusive OP.
"We don't want AI at all."
"Too bad. We're adding it anyway."
"Fuck you."
"Ugh, it's so EASY to convince yourself that ABUSE and HARASSMENT are okay! You should be engaging with us in good faith to influence how we implement AI in your browser. Otherwise we'll just do whatever we want."Exactly and exactly why banning all the people sucking up in this shitty thread has been quite productive!
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@johnzajac Wheb someone demand something if mastodon, it really means they don't get shit and their brain is rotten by big tech BS.
You don't demand any change on mastodon. You implement them. And if nobody gives a fuck, well that's that.
This guy can start he's own AI bros friendly instance, and see how they will all be eventually getting blocked.
Yup.
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@johnzajac thank you for this esp since things are indeed getting worse, i.e. this non-argument you're correctly fighting against is popping up all over. Like I talk about this and it's called "shaming" etc. https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357303546392362
Yes! I noticed that many articles are shifting from trying to defend "AI" (it's indefensible, I think they've realized?) to doubling down on the disinformation that what is called "AI" (e.g. ChatGPT, Claude) is the same as ML applications that have become truly revolutionary over the last ten years, AND this technology is *inevitable*, so we "need to shift from being anti-AI to being midwives and partners to the coming "AI" future" so we can shape it.
