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  3. LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI.

LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI.

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  • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #21

    @Elizafox

    💯 on the finances

    But if the marketing statements only border on fraud, it's because the "truth in advertising" laws are too weak.

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    • aatch@mastodon.nzA aatch@mastodon.nz

      @jaystephens @Elizafox unfortunately I suspect that it'll be worse than previous AI Winters. There have been many orders of magnitude more money sunk into it and the exposure is way wider. Previous Winters have been "US Military discovers that it won't be able to replace interpreters and stops funding it", this is so much bigger.

      jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #22

      @aatch @Elizafox

      #unpopularopinion
      I also think it's possible that by sheer force of money, power, oligopoly & will, the current BS will make itself the substrate for a bunch of tech for a generation or two, making the current Microsoft/Apple/Meta era of enshittified mainstream and corporate tech look like a comparatively golden age.

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      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

        LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. They very badly need people to believe it is AGI though, because their growth model does not work without it.

        (This excludes the financials, which are just straight-up fraud on wheels)

        I would say these claims now border on fraud. It will be fascinating in 20 years when we are looking back on this bubble and wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

        AGI / ASI can't happen without an entirely new paradigm. This ain't it chief.

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        #23

        @Elizafox Shifting the definition of AGI seems to be the business model OpenAI as per Sam Altman 🤔

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        • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

          LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. They very badly need people to believe it is AGI though, because their growth model does not work without it.

          (This excludes the financials, which are just straight-up fraud on wheels)

          I would say these claims now border on fraud. It will be fascinating in 20 years when we are looking back on this bubble and wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

          AGI / ASI can't happen without an entirely new paradigm. This ain't it chief.

          lehtimaeki@snapp.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #24

          @Elizafox
          OpenAI's money depends on them building AGI.. As their tech can't actually do it they have to do the next best thing, just claim that it is. 😕
          sigh.

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          • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

            LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. They very badly need people to believe it is AGI though, because their growth model does not work without it.

            (This excludes the financials, which are just straight-up fraud on wheels)

            I would say these claims now border on fraud. It will be fascinating in 20 years when we are looking back on this bubble and wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

            AGI / ASI can't happen without an entirely new paradigm. This ain't it chief.

            zimzat@mastodon.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #25

            @Elizafox

            > wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

            The same way the Germans said "We knew nothing about that". It preserves their innocence and pretends they weren't a mark too.

            The idea that historians will be confused about how so many people are swindled is a weird thing to me; they'd be really bad historians if they don't understand human nature and societal motivations. Then again, maybe it's the same thing as economists now that ignore any motivation beyond money.

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            • kats@chaosfem.twK This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Elizafox @notavi10
              That word "knowing" is a load-bearing one, here.

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              • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. They very badly need people to believe it is AGI though, because their growth model does not work without it.

                (This excludes the financials, which are just straight-up fraud on wheels)

                I would say these claims now border on fraud. It will be fascinating in 20 years when we are looking back on this bubble and wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

                AGI / ASI can't happen without an entirely new paradigm. This ain't it chief.

                leeloo@c.imL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #27

                @Elizafox
                AGI is a misnomer. It's really a way of saying "intelligent AI", but the I in AI already stands for intelligence, so calling ig IAI would expose the swindle.

                Current "AI" is not intelligent. It's artificial, yes, but so is microplastics.

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                • kats@chaosfem.twK kats@chaosfem.tw

                  @Elizafox @notavi10
                  That word "knowing" is a load-bearing one, here.

                  elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #28

                  @KatS @notavi10 That's philosophical. Computer memory is a form of retention of some sort of knowledge, even if it is transferred. But the ability to reason with that knowledge is another thing entirely.

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