If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
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If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
@FediTips
How does the transfer of follows / followers work when one or both accounts require approval for followers? Does the person get a new follow request? -
If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
@FediTips My friend, I believe you are wrong about this — though I do not question your sincerity or your noble intentions. We've had this disagreement before, and I am so bummed that you're still launching these unfair and inaccurate attacks.
More significantly, I question (again) your using the @fedi.tips account – which many people naturally assume is an official and impartial and 100% solid source — which it *is* mostly, except for this one strange blind spot — for a personal vendetta.
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@FediTips My friend, I believe you are wrong about this — though I do not question your sincerity or your noble intentions. We've had this disagreement before, and I am so bummed that you're still launching these unfair and inaccurate attacks.
More significantly, I question (again) your using the @fedi.tips account – which many people naturally assume is an official and impartial and 100% solid source — which it *is* mostly, except for this one strange blind spot — for a personal vendetta.
@FediTips As before, what's going to happen now is that people will leave one of the best-run and well-moderated social media servers in the whole fucking world for sweet little alternatives that will vanish in the next 12 months or plunge into petty de-fed feuds with other admins — a part of Mastodon culture you don't like to talk about.
And all because you evidently detest Eugen Rochko. And are willing to spend your hard-earned fediverse cred on this periodic pissing contest. FFS, drop it.
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If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
25%?!! Oh come on. You'd think the folks IN FAVOR OF DECENTRALIZING WOULD DECENTRALIZE.
Or even fork off another one of their own. Or multiples.
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@FediTips As before, what's going to happen now is that people will leave one of the best-run and well-moderated social media servers in the whole fucking world for sweet little alternatives that will vanish in the next 12 months or plunge into petty de-fed feuds with other admins — a part of Mastodon culture you don't like to talk about.
And all because you evidently detest Eugen Rochko. And are willing to spend your hard-earned fediverse cred on this periodic pissing contest. FFS, drop it.
You've done a two-part reply which doesn't address any of the reasons given in the original post?
"And all because you evidently detest Eugen Rochko."
I think you must be confusing me with someone else? I have never attacked Eugen.
I have criticised some of his decisions, and praised other decisions. I've never made it personal about him.
He has contributed more than any other person to making Mastodon and that's an amazing achievement. But not every decision is good.
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@FediTips As before, what's going to happen now is that people will leave one of the best-run and well-moderated social media servers in the whole fucking world for sweet little alternatives that will vanish in the next 12 months or plunge into petty de-fed feuds with other admins — a part of Mastodon culture you don't like to talk about.
And all because you evidently detest Eugen Rochko. And are willing to spend your hard-earned fediverse cred on this periodic pissing contest. FFS, drop it.
"sweet little alternatives that will vanish in the next 12 months"
That's just not true, most of the alternative servers I'm recommending have been working reliably for years:
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@FediTips
How does the transfer of follows / followers work when one or both accounts require approval for followers? Does the person get a new follow request?Followers (people who follow you) is automatic because they already followed you on the old account.
As far as I remember, follows (people you follow) will mean the person gets a new follow request from you if they have follow requests switched on.
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@FediTips As I try to understand these concerns, why is the ownership side of this still a worry when, back in January, it was announced that Mastodon GmbH would be placed under the control of a non-profit entity?
That is a really good step, and total respect to Eugen for taking it
But it doesn't by itself solve the centralisation issue.By far the biggest server, the official apps, the official site, the trademarks on the word "Mastodon" would still all be in one entity, which makes it a target.
Even non-profits can end up going down the toilet if they become dependent on big tech (e.g. Mozilla when they became dependent on Google). Mastodon hasn't done this so far though
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25%?!! Oh come on. You'd think the folks IN FAVOR OF DECENTRALIZING WOULD DECENTRALIZE.
Or even fork off another one of their own. Or multiples.
Mastodon.social used to regularly close to new members and redirect people to register on another long-running reliable server. Maybe they could go back to doing this in some form or another?
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@FediTips On the other hand won't shut down for ... whatever reasons.
I'm not advising people to sign up on a random server. I'm linking them to well-run servers on curated lists that have certain standards of reliability and moderation.
These good alternatives have mostly been around for years:
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If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
I think I changed my position in time.
If you are already on mastodon.social and you are a regular fediverse user , it's probably a good idea to move to another instance.But this is for people that happen to know already the advantages of a decentralized network.
Reality is that most people not in #fediverse, don't care still, they don't get the point.
They'll understand it later on.I think new users, in the account creation process, should land to mastodon.social or anyway a predefined default server/group of servers.
They will have the freedom to move later on, if they remain active users, if they care.
The exit door is something they don't have elsewhere.This could be represented graphically leaving a default that's so natural to accept if you are in a hurry, like everyone trying a new thing is.
See how graphically is represented the onboarding procedure on BS. -
If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
@FediTips If you're going to move, do it early. It's easy to move but you can't move the posts you've already made. So you lose your history.
Feature request. Migrate your history when moving servers.
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If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
@FediTips the problem with the fediverse is its fragmentation.
There should be a registry where all instances automatically register on setup, which checks in regular intervals if the instances still exist.
This is not rocket science.
Private, non-federating instances could opt out on installation and later as well. -
If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:
️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-serverThe Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.
Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.
Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.
@FediTips possibly because it’s the one you get offered when you download the mastodon app and the more it spreads, the more users we may have who just want the easy entry path (I firmly believe FB only took off when it came pre installed on mobile phones so the cost of entry was tiny). If we can lower the barriers or persuade them to not make it default then that would be ace.
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@FediTips If you're going to move, do it early. It's easy to move but you can't move the posts you've already made. So you lose your history.
Feature request. Migrate your history when moving servers.
As long as you don't delete the old account, the old posts don't disappear. They stay on the old server and redirect people to your new account if people click on the author's name.
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@FediTips possibly because it’s the one you get offered when you download the mastodon app and the more it spreads, the more users we may have who just want the easy entry path (I firmly believe FB only took off when it came pre installed on mobile phones so the cost of entry was tiny). If we can lower the barriers or persuade them to not make it default then that would be ace.
That's definitely the reason, but there's a really easy solution: they could suggest a different server instead of the largest one.
There are lots of reliable servers that have good track records going back years, they could have a pool of them and regularly rotate which one is suggested to new people.
This is what they used to do ages ago before there was an official app, they would regularly close mastodon.social and tell people to sign up on a specific other server.
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@FediTips the problem with the fediverse is its fragmentation.
There should be a registry where all instances automatically register on setup, which checks in regular intervals if the instances still exist.
This is not rocket science.
Private, non-federating instances could opt out on installation and later as well.There are sites which list vast numbers of Fediverse instances, but they're not good for new people because there's no indication about an instance's reliability or safety.
Human-curated lists that have specific requirements for reliability and moderation tend to be more useful for new people, I think?
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Would it make sense for the party to run their own server which only has official accounts?
Yes you are right, but we have asked numerous times when they will get on the #Fediverse and they did mention that they did a test server internally, but gave a vague response of "we decided not to take things further" which is basically saying we won't get enough engagement. Or they say "they have a small team" but then contradict themselves by joining bluesky.
Even when one applies for a job or offers to help volenterally, they will still ignore or find a reason not to.
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I think I changed my position in time.
If you are already on mastodon.social and you are a regular fediverse user , it's probably a good idea to move to another instance.But this is for people that happen to know already the advantages of a decentralized network.
Reality is that most people not in #fediverse, don't care still, they don't get the point.
They'll understand it later on.I think new users, in the account creation process, should land to mastodon.social or anyway a predefined default server/group of servers.
They will have the freedom to move later on, if they remain active users, if they care.
The exit door is something they don't have elsewhere.This could be represented graphically leaving a default that's so natural to accept if you are in a hurry, like everyone trying a new thing is.
See how graphically is represented the onboarding procedure on BS.I totally understand, and it's fine to direct new people to a "default" server so they don't get overwhelmed with choice.
The problem is if that default is the largest server, because it centralises the network and puts it in danger.
If JoinMastodon and the official apps could direct new people to another reliable server (and then rotate this default regularly) this would solve most of the problems.
That kind of default rotation is how Nextcloud's onboarding works, for example.
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Yes you are right, but we have asked numerous times when they will get on the #Fediverse and they did mention that they did a test server internally, but gave a vague response of "we decided not to take things further" which is basically saying we won't get enough engagement. Or they say "they have a small team" but then contradict themselves by joining bluesky.
Even when one applies for a job or offers to help volenterally, they will still ignore or find a reason not to.
It's really easy to run your own server if you use a managed hosting service such as @mastohost or @Cloud68 or @fedihost or many others. They do all the techy stuff, you just pay a small monthly fee that includes everything.
If they don't want their own server and don't have time for more platforms, there are social media services which let organisations post to many platforms at once including Mastodon:
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