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  3. Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

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  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

    You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

    On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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    #80

    @Gina

    If concerned about temperatures, consider Camprodon (Girona) and nearby.

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    • yngmar@social.tchncs.deY yngmar@social.tchncs.de

      @Gina You will certainly choose wrong, because no place is perfect.

      Some are ok though. For a while.

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      #81

      @yngmar @Gina and that’s why it’s probably best to live on a sailboat 😜

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      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

        A lot of this is contradictory as well.

        I.e. wanting green nature around while having debilitating hay fever. Wanting a tech community around while not wanting to live in a big city. Able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k while close to an international airport 🤦🏼‍♀️

        Basically I want Bern without winter and hay fever, but it also has to be affordable. Sigh.

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        #82

        @Gina Bern and <500K would have been a challenge.

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        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

          Okay so, I'm still not 100% sure whether I'm making the right choice. I always thought I'd end up in a nice farm house in France, but because of tax reasons France is not an option. And because of weather reasons the whole of Northern Europe isn't an option 🌧

          So it basically comes down to Spain 🇪🇸 or Italy. 🇮🇹

          Edit: I'm staying in Europe to minimise timezone differences. #moveabroad

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          #83

          @Gina The area of "Campo de Turia" is nice, and near Valencia in Spain. Small towns but around 25km from the city and close to the airport

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          • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

            It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:

            - sunny and coastal
            - green nature
            - access to outdoor sports
            - a tech community around
            - an expat community that is not retirees
            - generally educated populace around
            - indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
            - able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
            - within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
            - mountains would be cool

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            #84

            @Gina If a lot of us pool our resources, maybe we can start a new tech community somewhere nice 😅

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            • elricofmelnibone@mastodon.socialE elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social

              @Gina If a lot of us pool our resources, maybe we can start a new tech community somewhere nice 😅

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              #85

              @elricofmelnibone ooh lets go to one of the abandoned villages in Italy!

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              • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                Okay so, I'm still not 100% sure whether I'm making the right choice. I always thought I'd end up in a nice farm house in France, but because of tax reasons France is not an option. And because of weather reasons the whole of Northern Europe isn't an option 🌧

                So it basically comes down to Spain 🇪🇸 or Italy. 🇮🇹

                Edit: I'm staying in Europe to minimise timezone differences. #moveabroad

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                #86

                @Gina the north of Spain is awesome and feels like the perfect balance in terms of weather and nature

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                • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                  It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:

                  - sunny and coastal
                  - green nature
                  - access to outdoor sports
                  - a tech community around
                  - an expat community that is not retirees
                  - generally educated populace around
                  - indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
                  - able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
                  - within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
                  - mountains would be cool

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                  #87

                  @Gina Galicia or Basque Country should fit that description for the most part. I'm totally biased but check out A Coruña 😇

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                  • ryzokuken@mastodon.socialR ryzokuken@mastodon.social

                    @Gina the north of Spain is awesome and feels like the perfect balance in terms of weather and nature

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                    #88

                    @ryzokuken I'm considering visiting Bilbao and San Sebastian in september. Does it really rain all the time there? 🥲

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                      #89

                      @Gina

                      Milton Keynes looking ever more attractive, I imagine.

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                      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                        You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                        On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                        #90

                        @Gina Italy has been experiencing levels of emigration similar to the late 1800s and early 1900s waves (I am also an Italian emigrant), for at least a decade.

                        The press and politics seem to refuse to mention it, but... the Italians that can, go away (not all, but... many).

                        (my info/numbers might be old/wrong, willing to hear otherwise by anyone that is better informed. Anecdotally, I know serveral that moved abroad just in my circle of friends, unrelated to my job)

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                        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                          @ryzokuken I'm considering visiting Bilbao and San Sebastian in september. Does it really rain all the time there? 🥲

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                          #91

                          @Gina it rains quite a bit relatively but the cities are designed very well to avoid any serious issues and usually its a bit of a drizzle anyway.

                          Think more of constant grey humid drizzle than actual raindrops...

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                          • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                            You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                            On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                            #92

                            @Gina Italy is wonderful except for the bureaucracy, which is inefficient and random.

                            Also some people have a strange hobby called "denunciare" 😬

                            Wouldn't disregard it though.

                            Spain has virtually free housing in remote areas of Galicia, which is quite a nice area. Of course that's because the towns are being abandoned.

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                            • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                              @_elena @marcel maybe this IS the answer 🥳

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                              #93

                              @Gina @_elena @marcel interesting I will share you a point from my exp. If you like good quality ( general speaking ) and easy to find: go to Italy - if you like more tech community go to Barcelona. From my point Girona is to small at all aspects. ( I live in BCN since 2016 ) my family is half Italian. Other good point is if you need move forward your business by using good places, community, networking, etc I think Spain wins here.

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                              • albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz

                                @Gina

                                If concerned about temperatures, consider Camprodon (Girona) and nearby.

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                                #94

                                @albertcardona @Gina got hackers?

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                                • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                  It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:

                                  - sunny and coastal
                                  - green nature
                                  - access to outdoor sports
                                  - a tech community around
                                  - an expat community that is not retirees
                                  - generally educated populace around
                                  - indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
                                  - able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
                                  - within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
                                  - mountains would be cool

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                                  #95

                                  @Gina Aside from the house prices, Switzerland (I was in Lausanne) ticks those boxes.
                                  Across the lake is still lovely (Evian), but you mentioned France was out.

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                                  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                    You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                                    On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                                    #96

                                    @Gina not sure that emigrants are the best people to ask...

                                    I left Germany in 1998, I would never go back for a variety of reasons, but I would also say: I have reasons, but they may not apply to you, so better not ask me.

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                                    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                      It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:

                                      - sunny and coastal
                                      - green nature
                                      - access to outdoor sports
                                      - a tech community around
                                      - an expat community that is not retirees
                                      - generally educated populace around
                                      - indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
                                      - able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
                                      - within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
                                      - mountains would be cool

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                                      #97

                                      @Gina If it weren't for Brexit, I would seriously consider moving back to Wales. Doesn't quite tick all the boxes, but a majority of them.

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                                      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                        @_elena @marcel maybe this IS the answer 🥳

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                                        #98

                                        @Gina @_elena @marcel maybe the NL can give you a huge tax break if you stay in rainy NL?

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                                        • yngmar@social.tchncs.deY yngmar@social.tchncs.de

                                          @Gina Italy is wonderful except for the bureaucracy, which is inefficient and random.

                                          Also some people have a strange hobby called "denunciare" 😬

                                          Wouldn't disregard it though.

                                          Spain has virtually free housing in remote areas of Galicia, which is quite a nice area. Of course that's because the towns are being abandoned.

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                                          #99

                                          @yngmar @Gina I am crashing Gina's search because I am searching too, with apparently most of the same priorities.
                                          Italy is a whole country. There has to be a nice town with hackers in it.
                                          I have also considered Galicia.

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