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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • travisfw@fosstodon.orgT travisfw@fosstodon.org

    @teledyn @jascha … toiling in my … *ahem* I mean THEIR secret laboratory … someday THE WORLD will KNOW!
    Oh yes hehe
    They will understand … mwa ha HA HA HA

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    #98

    @travisfw @jascha

    "I've been called an evil genius by cities of assholes, but I know who these people are, and they're on my list."

    — R. Crumb, 1977

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    • timphon@lingo.lolT timphon@lingo.lol

      @jascha yaasss!

      Exceptions:

      - it's not actually a scientist but someone trying to claim the mantle of science to legitimize something that isn't science

      - it's a scientist talking about something other than science (ex, I don't particularly want you to know the pin number for my bank card)

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      #99

      @jascha Even with controversial topics like climate change, scientists generally *want* people to know; they just don't trust many of the common channel for communicating. Media are usually more interested in hyping sensation than conveying nuance.

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      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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        #100
        @jascha I mean … right … have you ever met a scientist?!
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        • dougiec3@libretooth.grD dougiec3@libretooth.gr

          @drwho @jascha
          That alone is a full-time job.

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          #101

          @dougiec3 @jascha Indeed it is.

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          • leeloo@chaosfem.twL leeloo@chaosfem.tw

            @RogerBW @jascha
            50 years ago?

            Maybe for vaccines.

            We¹ knew the Earth is round 600 BC, and had calculated the circumference by 300 BC.

            ¹) The people who lived in Greece back then, of course none of us had been born yet.

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            #102

            @leeloo @RogerBW @jascha Only Greeks?

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            • csolisr@hub.azkware.netC csolisr@hub.azkware.net
              Scientists generally want you to know, the people that finance their work on the other hand? It depends on how marketable is the discovery
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              #103

              @csolisr I've never personally experienced or even remotely heard of a funder trying to influence the results of a study (and been a scientist for about 15 years now). I'm sure it can happen but it will be a negligible minority.

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              • wall_e@ioc.exchangeW wall_e@ioc.exchange

                @jascha they want you to know so bad, they've devised a whole elaborate system around publishing their research.

                They're holding regular conferences and publish everything that's been presented there as "proceedings".

                They _teach_ at public institutions to make sure more people know each year.

                They want you to know! That's literally their job

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                #104

                @wall_e @jascha we beat our heads on walls and end up battered as a result.

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                • numodular@c.imN numodular@c.im

                  @jascha Lest they be working more for profit, than higher ethics.

                  I went to school with a couple of eventual billionaire lobbyists. Quite bright scientists.

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                  #105

                  @numodular @jascha "quite bright" is "dim".

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                  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                    #106

                    @jascha I'm going to spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of thousands of euros to find this thing out, and then I'm just gonna not tell anyone what I spent the hundreds of hours and hundreds of thousands of euro to find out. My little secret 🙊

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                    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                      #107

                      @jascha Married to a scientist. Toot personally verified.

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                      • scogings@mastodon.worldS scogings@mastodon.world

                        @leeloo @RogerBW @jascha Only Greeks?

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                        #108

                        @scogings @RogerBW @jascha
                        The man who is known to have done the calculation back then was Greek.

                        He may not have been the only one or the first.

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                        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                          #109

                          @jascha

                          It’s kind of funny for anyone to make that assertion in a publish or perish world

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                          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                            #110

                            @jascha I can confirm this - my brother is a biochemist and he has one research project he was on that he still tells people about at bus stops.

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                            • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

                              @dougiec3 @jascha Might be related to how there are a lot of “cures” for cancer that never became a product.

                              Because killing cancer is pretty easy. The problem is not killing the patient. What’s impossible is for the media to not wildly incorrectly report on things:/

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                              #111

                              @yon @dougiec3 @jascha Personally I would consider not killing the patient to be an intrinsic part of the definition of "cure" but this is still funny 😂

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                              • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                                @crazyeddie @GutterPoetry @jascha now, derptron, if you wish to call me an ass because of that point, that's on you.

                                At least you did not call me a misogynist. That was the obvious trap.

                                Misogyny exists. The problem is what needs to be addressed regardless of intent, and that is bigger than all of us.

                                Good talk. 🙃

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                                #112

                                @knowprose I believe it's a systemic vs individual issue thing. Systemic bias is not intentional, but also harder to spot than individual prejudice. Like how me and many other women who consider themselves modern feminists still perpetuate(d) a "deal with it" attitude regarding period pain, which discourages those with very painful cysts and endometriosis from seeking diagnosis. Not intentional, but we need to do better

                                I'm sorry to hear about your father and hope he still could get treatment.

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                                • diazona@techhub.socialD diazona@techhub.social

                                  @yon @dougiec3 @jascha Personally I would consider not killing the patient to be an intrinsic part of the definition of "cure" but this is still funny 😂

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                                  #113

                                  @diazona @dougiec3 @jascha Not just cancer either. It’s kind of a general things. Yes it’s tongue in cheek 🙂 But it’s why there’s phases etc. I don’t think most are aware of how medical research works, they just see the (BS) headlines.

                                  (I don’t have the know how to understand medical research etc. Just know a bit about parts of the process as a guinea pig.)

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                                  • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

                                    @diazona @dougiec3 @jascha Not just cancer either. It’s kind of a general things. Yes it’s tongue in cheek 🙂 But it’s why there’s phases etc. I don’t think most are aware of how medical research works, they just see the (BS) headlines.

                                    (I don’t have the know how to understand medical research etc. Just know a bit about parts of the process as a guinea pig.)

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                                    #114

                                    @yon @diazona @jascha
                                    I've dabbled in guinea piggery myself.

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                                    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                      #115

                                      @jascha
                                      Dont look up or Idiocracy?
                                      Global warming: Humanity? Well done.

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                                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                        #116

                                        @jascha Today I learned I'm a scientist.

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                                        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                          #117

                                          @jascha 💯

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