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  3. finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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    #25

    @loriemerson Nothing about durability. Point 6 only gets partway there.

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    • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

      @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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      #26

      @libroraptor @loriemerson Yeah, smaller isn't necessarily better.

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      • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

        @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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        #27

        @aakoskin @loriemerson the text is in the image description you numpty.

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        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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          #28

          @loriemerson amazing - I tracked down the source. Thanks for this! 🙇‍♀️✌️💙

          Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer
          Wendell Berry
          New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly
          Vol. 10, No. 1 (Autumn, 1987), pp. 112-113 (2 pages)
          Published By: Middlebury College Publications

          https://www.jstor.org/stable/40241890

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          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

            finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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            #29

            @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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              #30

              @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                #31

                @loriemerson

                I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

                https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

                https://kottke.org/25/05/nine-rules-for-evaluating-new-technology

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                • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                  @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                  #32

                  @aakoskin @loriemerson

                  "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                  For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                  I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                  • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                    @aakoskin @loriemerson

                    "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                    For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                    I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                    #33

                    @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                    Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                    • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                      #34

                      @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                      • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                        #35

                        @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                        Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                        • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                          @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                          I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                          Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                          #36

                          @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                          It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                          I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                            @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                            #37

                            @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

                            Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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                            • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                              @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                              It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                              I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                              #38

                              @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                              Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                              Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                #39

                                @loriemerson the Wendellian laws should be international law

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                                • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                                  @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                                  Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                                  #40

                                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                                  That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                    #41

                                    @loriemerson Reading this makes me regret leaving behind my vintage copy of "The Unsettling of America" when I had to move. Berry is wonderful.

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                                    • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                      @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                      #42

                                      @aakoskin 👎

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                                      • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                                        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                        "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                                        That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                                        #43

                                        @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                        I've always liked this #quote from William J. Mayo (one of the founders of the Mayo clinic)...

                                        "Begin with an arresting sentence; close with a strong summary; in between speak simply, clearly, and always to the point; and above all be brief."

                                        #Quotes #Writing

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                                        • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                          @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                          #44

                                          @aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?

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