KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
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@ADHDruid @kde @davidgerard bbbbut a study from 23 years ago might have said people aren’t “actively choosing” KDE, whatever the fuck that means
@zzt @kde @davidgerard why would they? GNOME hadn’t been ruined yet 🤭
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@jztusk @kde @davidgerard I just want clean drinking water for me and my family.
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde @davidgerard PUH-lease! What are you doing, allowing this take place on your ground? It's getting so rotten, omg.
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard nothing official will come from the talk at an official KDE conference whose summary includes text implying that attendees will be encouraged to push that ongoing discussion in a pro-AI direction?
> Attendees will leave with: a concrete proposal (KaDAi) to react to or tear apart, a clear set of asks the project could direct at Plasma maintainers, and the framing for a sovereignty conversation that KDE is uniquely positioned to lead.
you seem very sure about that
but we’re very sure this is going to lead to a KDE project that’s full of slop, because we’re seeing it happen in other projects
these are fringe voices now, and they’re very clearly angling at not being fringe voices for long
why allow people who aren’t core community members to give a talk on a subject which, if you’re right, they’re utterly unequipped to evaluate? if this isn’t a realistic direction for KDE to go in, why entertain it at all?
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard nothing official will come from the talk at an official KDE conference whose summary includes text implying that attendees will be encouraged to push that ongoing discussion in a pro-AI direction?
> Attendees will leave with: a concrete proposal (KaDAi) to react to or tear apart, a clear set of asks the project could direct at Plasma maintainers, and the framing for a sovereignty conversation that KDE is uniquely positioned to lead.
you seem very sure about that
but we’re very sure this is going to lead to a KDE project that’s full of slop, because we’re seeing it happen in other projects
these are fringe voices now, and they’re very clearly angling at not being fringe voices for long
why allow people who aren’t core community members to give a talk on a subject which, if you’re right, they’re utterly unequipped to evaluate? if this isn’t a realistic direction for KDE to go in, why entertain it at all?
@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard yes yes free speech or whatever
believe it or not, running the conference means you get to exclude people who you decide don’t represent your project!
it’s literally not illegal to do that, and in fact it’s your responsibility if you’re going to do the job of running a conference
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard yes yes free speech or whatever
believe it or not, running the conference means you get to exclude people who you decide don’t represent your project!
it’s literally not illegal to do that, and in fact it’s your responsibility if you’re going to do the job of running a conference
@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard so do they represent the KDE project or not?
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@kde @librarysquirrel @davidgerard that some aibros are allowed to discuss at the conference how they would love to turn plasma into a fulltime slop-huffing enviroment is a really fucking shitty sign
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KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop
https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/
fuckin
anyone want to go interupt it every 30 seconds? they asked for it.
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard so do they represent the KDE project or not?
@zzt @kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard "Just because we're hosting talks at the official KDE conference about slopifying Plasma and about bugging Plasma maintainers to introduce more slop, doesn't mean we want to introduce more slop!"
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@zzt @kde @davidgerard what I don’t understand about that statement, is people DO actively choose KDE because it is the best DE for many people. Forcing AI into it would mean an exodus of those same people and the project would die.
I’ve no idea why KDE would even entertain such nonsense at their own *official* conference, and it actively harms the project and brand.
Sometimes there aren’t two sides to an issue, this is one of those times.
If they want software they can talk to and befriend, in lieu of people, sure, no judgement. Go make it.
Maybe though, the desktop environment isn’t the platform for it… that’s kind of a major pivot. And KDE is associated with it. After all they must have accepted the RFP and thought “yeah, great idea, crack on”.
@ADHDruid @zzt @kde @davidgerard I picked KDE for it's the one I hate the least, no enforced CSD, buttons in the wrong order (sure it's in the wrong order on the title bar, but at least I can move the close button to the left side of the title bar and keep the others on the right side), bake in LLM then I will look for another desktop without a random text generator or maybe go back to #CTWM
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@kde @librarysquirrel @davidgerard maybe get the memo that aibros and other fash should not be welcome in a solvent community
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@davidgerard no no no no, not like this...
@davidgerard
KDE is the only DE that i like using and not actively despise (fuck you new GNOME i hate your design philosophy with every fibre of my being) and I've been using it for years.
If they go slop mode I don't know what I will do, XFCE is too simple and I had mixed results of using it on modern PC's, Cinnamon? was buggy on my setup last time I checked...
I wonder if Sway has anti-AI policy
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KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop
https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/
fuckin
@davidgerard Eh. They want a discussion about it and invite ppl to tear their idea apart (and I'm sure it will be). And even if they do implement it at some point, I'm sure we can all easily disable the crap in true KDE fashion. I'm more worried about the Gnomification of the UI in terms of removing features, like the KDE community suggested.
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard Your best strategy, right now, is to reject their talk, show them the door, and establish a hard stance immediately. One that says "no, we will not accept or condone slop code and we will not change this stance in the foreseeable future."
Right now you have to think of the Nazi bar problem and what's going on out there.
Be the bartender with the baseball bat. Don't... and I can't emphasize this enough... DON'T... let any "AI bro" in the door.
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@davidgerard sir we have custom desktops, its called compiz for gnome 2.0, please follow me to this room please
@dmitrylitosh @davidgerard
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard Your best strategy, right now, is to reject their talk, show them the door, and establish a hard stance immediately. One that says "no, we will not accept or condone slop code and we will not change this stance in the foreseeable future."
Right now you have to think of the Nazi bar problem and what's going on out there.
Be the bartender with the baseball bat. Don't... and I can't emphasize this enough... DON'T... let any "AI bro" in the door.
@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard I'm saying this to save your community from a fatal mistake.
F/OSS is being trampled by fascism.
Fascism is churning this AI slop out because they know they can destroy our communities with it.
Help us by taking a stand against it all.
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@bms @zzt i am sorry to say that TDE went full slop a while ago
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/288
@davidgerard @bms @zzt "use thought-terminating clichés mindfully, not as a replacement for thinking"
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard so do they represent the KDE project or not?
@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard like, we know very well the mechanism by which “just a conference talk from a couple of lapsed maintainers” becomes a takeover of a project’s values
it’s extremely easy to use conference attendance for astroturfing. suddenly you’ve got all these names you’ve never seen before demanding you move in a particular direction. now you’ve got to prove that all these people are here in bad faith. but how could they be? they attended one specific talk at your conference because they smelled blood and money in the water. who are you to tell them they aren’t part of KDE?
and you won’t tell them they aren’t part of KDE, because you’re reading this thinking I’m theorycrafting instead of recounting what keeps happening
you’ll lose your community
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@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard like, we know very well the mechanism by which “just a conference talk from a couple of lapsed maintainers” becomes a takeover of a project’s values
it’s extremely easy to use conference attendance for astroturfing. suddenly you’ve got all these names you’ve never seen before demanding you move in a particular direction. now you’ve got to prove that all these people are here in bad faith. but how could they be? they attended one specific talk at your conference because they smelled blood and money in the water. who are you to tell them they aren’t part of KDE?
and you won’t tell them they aren’t part of KDE, because you’re reading this thinking I’m theorycrafting instead of recounting what keeps happening
you’ll lose your community
@kde @LupinoArts @davidgerard here’s what a broken community looks like by the way: https://blog.fallible.net/it-breaks-a-village/
