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  • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

    @davidgerard "A desktop that loves you back has to know you."

    "desktop that loves you back"

    ... do they want a relationship with their desktop via a chatbot?

    what the fuck

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    #9

    @lumi @zzt @davidgerard spoken like someone who isn't fucking their desktop

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      note how this promises a bunch of shit that AI coding doesn't even do slightly.

      custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

      (that's the Resonant Computing manifesto, a document completely detached from technical reality https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/12/17/the-resonant-computing-manifesto-same-ai-slop-same-ai-guys/ )

      this "talk" looks like someone at KDE has made the decision to go slop and is trying to generate the appearance of consent. you've seen this playbook repeatedly.

      also this abstract was written with a chatbot

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      #10

      @davidgerard you know there are incredible opportunities available for productive LLM use when they resort to pointless ideas.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

        https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

        fuckin

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        #11

        @davidgerard oh god fuck no not kde, fuck fuck fuck

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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

          https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

          fuckin

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          #12

          @davidgerard@circumstances.run i hope that talk does not go well

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            note how this promises a bunch of shit that AI coding doesn't even do slightly.

            custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

            (that's the Resonant Computing manifesto, a document completely detached from technical reality https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/12/17/the-resonant-computing-manifesto-same-ai-slop-same-ai-guys/ )

            this "talk" looks like someone at KDE has made the decision to go slop and is trying to generate the appearance of consent. you've seen this playbook repeatedly.

            also this abstract was written with a chatbot

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            #13

            @davidgerard sir we have custom desktops, its called compiz for gnome 2.0, please follow me to this room please

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            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

              note how this promises a bunch of shit that AI coding doesn't even do slightly.

              custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

              (that's the Resonant Computing manifesto, a document completely detached from technical reality https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/12/17/the-resonant-computing-manifesto-same-ai-slop-same-ai-guys/ )

              this "talk" looks like someone at KDE has made the decision to go slop and is trying to generate the appearance of consent. you've seen this playbook repeatedly.

              also this abstract was written with a chatbot

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              #14

              @davidgerard > custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

              the codegooners keep promising this with LLMs

              I actually do this! people are gonna fucking hate it if I ever release it because it turns your whole environment into an editor, but unlike the LLM bros I’m realistic about what fucking software looks like

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              • skyfaller@jawns.clubS skyfaller@jawns.club

                @lumi @zzt @davidgerard spoken like someone who isn't fucking their desktop

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                #15

                @skyfaller @zzt @davidgerard so sad that computers don't have cd-rom drives anymore...

                mensrea@freeradical.zoneM laru@pleroma.laru.dsrv.x7q.euL desantis@mastodon.bida.imD 3 Replies Last reply
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                • librarysquirrel@sunny.gardenL librarysquirrel@sunny.garden

                  @davidgerard "Oh and btw what if we broke all your desktops and turned you into UI guinea pigs. I would be chased away from MS or Apple but Linux users have little power so look, what if!!!":
                  https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/332/

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                  #16

                  @librarysquirrel @davidgerard

                  "[...] turned you into UI guinea pigs".

                  Yeah... I thought that was Gnome's job?!?

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

                    https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

                    fuckin

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                    #17

                    @davidgerard

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                    • fred@social.fthevenet.euF fred@social.fthevenet.eu

                      @librarysquirrel @davidgerard

                      "[...] turned you into UI guinea pigs".

                      Yeah... I thought that was Gnome's job?!?

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                      #18

                      @fred @davidgerard division of labour struggles in the FOSS world I reckon...

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

                        https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

                        fuckin

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                        #19
                        @davidgerard
                        > what would it take for KDE to be the desktop people actively choose, not just the one some of us settle for?

                        I do just love the lack of self-awareness in this sentence, this conference talk is the exact answer to the opposite question. Plenty of people actively stay away from software that's "AI-native", so AI is clearly not the answer to making a desktop people would actively choose.
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                        • ozzelot@snac.sklenicekrtku.czO ozzelot@snac.sklenicekrtku.cz
                          @davidgerard@circumstances.run
                          I like and currently use KDE.

                          I don't want my desktop to love me. I want it to launch and organize programs, notify me of things, and not get in the goddamn way.
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                          #20

                          @ozzelot @davidgerard as a kde user myself, exactly the same

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

                            https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

                            fuckin

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                            #21

                            @davidgerard no no no no, not like this...

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                            • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                              @skyfaller @zzt @davidgerard so sad that computers don't have cd-rom drives anymore...

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                              #22

                              @lumi @skyfaller @davidgerard @zzt some fun trivia: in south africa 3.5in floppies used to be called stiffy disks. so we had stiffy drives. was good times

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

                                https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

                                fuckin

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                                #23

                                @davidgerard

                                sir i dont want my desktop
                                to „love me back“ - the thing i love (haha) about computers is that they can be (totally in theory, sometimes it happens actually in practice) deterministic without emotional baggage and all the complications it usually brings…

                                actually my love here is totally NOT unconditional but hard bound to the thing to work and not annoy or surprise me

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  note how this promises a bunch of shit that AI coding doesn't even do slightly.

                                  custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

                                  (that's the Resonant Computing manifesto, a document completely detached from technical reality https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/12/17/the-resonant-computing-manifesto-same-ai-slop-same-ai-guys/ )

                                  this "talk" looks like someone at KDE has made the decision to go slop and is trying to generate the appearance of consent. you've seen this playbook repeatedly.

                                  also this abstract was written with a chatbot

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                                  #24

                                  @davidgerard "custom compiled desktops for ever user"
                                  That sounds like some shit suckless would do. I use Plasma because I don't want to deal with that!

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop

                                    https://conf.kde.org/event/11/contributions/314/

                                    fuckin

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                                    #25

                                    @davidgerard
                                    @kde Please no.
                                    I don't need a desktop to "love me". I need it to work reliably.
                                    I don't need a desktop to "know me better". I need it to respect my settings, my privacy and my compute.

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                                    • jackemled@furry.engineerJ jackemled@furry.engineer

                                      @davidgerard "custom compiled desktops for ever user"
                                      That sounds like some shit suckless would do. I use Plasma because I don't want to deal with that!

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                                      #26

                                      @jackemled @davidgerard I don't think they mean literally compiled (given that they talk about Activities, Plasmoids, etc), I think they mean "custom configuration".
                                      But siccing an LLM onto a visual language is the last thing I'd wanna do. Remember Claude Design?

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        note how this promises a bunch of shit that AI coding doesn't even do slightly.

                                        custom compiled desktops for every user! what?

                                        (that's the Resonant Computing manifesto, a document completely detached from technical reality https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/12/17/the-resonant-computing-manifesto-same-ai-slop-same-ai-guys/ )

                                        this "talk" looks like someone at KDE has made the decision to go slop and is trying to generate the appearance of consent. you've seen this playbook repeatedly.

                                        also this abstract was written with a chatbot

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                                        #27

                                        but david why won't you assume good faith in this proposal to add AI slop to KDE?

                                        because it's made in polite and civil-toned bad faith

                                        and KDE just accepted a conference submission written with a chatbot, the bad faith comes right there in the package

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          but david why won't you assume good faith in this proposal to add AI slop to KDE?

                                          because it's made in polite and civil-toned bad faith

                                          and KDE just accepted a conference submission written with a chatbot, the bad faith comes right there in the package

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                                          #28

                                          @davidgerard why won’t you assume good faith from the type of person who’s been operating in maximally bad faith for at least 5 years continuously, if not longer?

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