Some of you have been asking why the #EU digital policy account isn't on the #Fediverse..
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The Commission president is proposed by the Council and elected by the European Parliament through majority vote.
So Von der Leyen was first nominated by democratically elected governments, and then elected by a directly elected parliament.
Electing leaders indirectly rather than directly is common in democracies. According to your logic Sweden is a dictatorship.
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Thx for answering… I’m so tired of explaining that one. Working on a video about exactly this question at the moment tho! -
The Commission president is proposed by the Council and elected by the European Parliament through majority vote.
So Von der Leyen was first nominated by democratically elected governments, and then elected by a directly elected parliament.
Electing leaders indirectly rather than directly is common in democracies. According to your logic Sweden is a dictatorship.
@paelnever @hpod16 @zer0unplanned@sab @paelnever @hpod16 Is that Democracy in your way of view?
Was elected by this and by those but we chose locally.
Also, I will save you from the many infringements of International Law allows as they are the law makers, so we have to shut up and go on.
It's not like you are talking to a 13 year old or 23 or 33 or 43 year old guy no.... you talk to me. -
@sab @paelnever @hpod16 Is that Democracy in your way of view?
Was elected by this and by those but we chose locally.
Also, I will save you from the many infringements of International Law allows as they are the law makers, so we have to shut up and go on.
It's not like you are talking to a 13 year old or 23 or 33 or 43 year old guy no.... you talk to me.Laws being made by officials elected by people to represent them for set periods of time, and then being peacefully removed and replaced following elections if public opinion goes against them?
You forget about European Parliament elections.
There are plenty of democratic challenges in the EU, including that EP elections are considered second order so people use them to vote on national issues. It's not a perfect system, but it's not a dictatorship either.
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Laws being made by officials elected by people to represent them for set periods of time, and then being peacefully removed and replaced following elections if public opinion goes against them?
You forget about European Parliament elections.
There are plenty of democratic challenges in the EU, including that EP elections are considered second order so people use them to vote on national issues. It's not a perfect system, but it's not a dictatorship either.
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It's rigged in its ways. Lobbying is powerful and mostly available to the rich. Right wingers own the media. National narratives tend to discourage honest engagement on the EU level, rendering EU democracy an empty shell. The list goes on.
I just think it's worth going into more nuanced takes rather than resorting to hyperboles.
Judging by the UK we wouldn't be much better off without it, so we better fix it instead. Which requires understanding and nuance.
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The Commission president is proposed by the Council and elected by the European Parliament through majority vote.
So Von der Leyen was first nominated by democratically elected governments, and then elected by a directly elected parliament.
Electing leaders indirectly rather than directly is common in democracies. According to your logic Sweden is a dictatorship.
@paelnever @hpod16 @zer0unplanned@sab @zer0unplanned
Letting aside the fact that economic power already can handle what people vote just by controlling all the info the people receive. That what you call "indirect" election is a de-facto dictatorship. Economic power just have to bribe/blackmail a bunch of (mostly already corrupted) politicians to put the people they want in charge. It's fine if you are naive but please don't insult intelligence believing we all are. -
It's rigged in its ways. Lobbying is powerful and mostly available to the rich. Right wingers own the media. National narratives tend to discourage honest engagement on the EU level, rendering EU democracy an empty shell. The list goes on.
I just think it's worth going into more nuanced takes rather than resorting to hyperboles.
Judging by the UK we wouldn't be much better off without it, so we better fix it instead. Which requires understanding and nuance.
@zer0unplanned @paelnever @hpod16@sab @paelnever @hpod16 Apart from that while you mention Brittish involvement. Stop the damn Russophobia and instead make a market with them and all our problems will be solved financially they are not an enemy at all, USA is. -
Some of you have been asking why the #EU digital policy account isn't on the #Fediverse..
Well, today they are! Go follow the official #DigitalEU account: @digitaleu for updates about #OpenSource, #Tech and #DigitalSovereignty, and much more!
Today is a good day for the open source community. Stay tuned for more announcements.@hpod16 @digitaleu Many will contradict me but in the end it's what it is if you look at it.
USA umbrella is gone, so whaT IS WISE? -
@sab @paelnever @hpod16 Apart from that while you mention Brittish involvement. Stop the damn Russophobia and instead make a market with them and all our problems will be solved financially they are not an enemy at all, USA is.
They can join the friends club once they stop invading and murdering our closer friends and neighbours (or anyone else, for that matter), and get back to minding their own business. Until then, Slava Ukraini
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@sab @paelnever @hpod16 Apart from that while you mention Brittish involvement. Stop the damn Russophobia and instead make a market with them and all our problems will be solved financially they are not an enemy at all, USA is.
@zer0unplanned
Probably we should first wait they solve their own intern dictator tyrant problem before involving with them. I don't feel comfortable being "friend" with people who violate basic human rights, no matter where they come from. -
Some of you have been asking why the #EU digital policy account isn't on the #Fediverse..
Well, today they are! Go follow the official #DigitalEU account: @digitaleu for updates about #OpenSource, #Tech and #DigitalSovereignty, and much more!
Today is a good day for the open source community. Stay tuned for more announcements.@hpod16 @digitaleu Hey make EU great not again but yes again from dust is not relying on USA but the logical inland which is Russia and further isolate Trumps USA.
That is what an EU patriot would say! -
They can join the friends club once they stop invading and murdering our closer friends and neighbours (or anyone else, for that matter), and get back to minding their own business. Until then, Slava Ukraini
@zer0unplanned @paelnever @hpod16@sab @paelnever @hpod16 We did it by infringing many international laws and a lots of publicity and fellas from the CIA reality is another thing. -
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Thx for answering… I’m so tired of explaining that one. Working on a video about exactly this question at the moment tho!Not very surprising that both accounts end up showing their colours as (pro)russian trolls. It gets tiring.
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