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  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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    #53

    @stux

    Ignorance and laziness have no limits, they never had…

    The only tools we actually need is common sense, fact checking and critical thinking…
    Domain knowledge you gather along the way. Experience is what it is called…

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    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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      #54

      @stux why learn a second language when you can just use a translator? Why cook food when you can just eat take out?

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      • lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
        @stux Or teaching math that pocket calculators have been able to do since the ~80's
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        #55

        @lanodan @stux ich bin der musikant mit taschenrechner in der hand und wenn ich diese taste druecke dann spielt er ein kleines musikstueck ~~ kraftwerk

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        • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

          @lanodan
          such teachings go well into universities! where will it stop! /s

          (okay, not sure about 80s calculators, but the TI-92... What a beast.)
          @stux

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          #56

          @ozzelot @lanodan @stux i liked the ti-36x solar. i learned to like the hp 35s. rpn is quite convenient. i wish i had learned to use a slide scale. arithmetic is just practice.

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          • lisp1984@mastodon.socialL lisp1984@mastodon.social

            @ozzelot @lanodan @stux i liked the ti-36x solar. i learned to like the hp 35s. rpn is quite convenient. i wish i had learned to use a slide scale. arithmetic is just practice.

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            #57

            @ozzelot @lanodan @stux *slide rule*

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            • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

              @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

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              #58

              @Remittancegirl @stux Or how little they know about the education system and it's purpose.

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              • lisp1984@mastodon.socialL lisp1984@mastodon.social

                @ozzelot @lanodan @stux *slide rule*

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                #59

                @lisp1984
                I have... repeatedly been taught how to use one 😄 I should practice more.
                @lanodan @stux

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                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                  “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                  Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                  #60

                  @stux JFC we are doomed

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                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                    #61

                    @stux

                    This is your #source ? I ask because the text continues beyond that quoted statement.

                    https://x.com/JuliaEMcCoy/status/2028538251196371374

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                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                      #62

                      @stux 😆

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                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                        “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                        Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                        #63

                        @stux they're even teaching you to, *gasp*, think critically!

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                        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                          @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

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                          #64

                          @Remittancegirl @stux

                          The skills involved in looking up "facts" and corroborating them as best you can are various and just as important. Asking "the drunk at the dull end of the bar" instead leads just there: to the corner of the bar. We should teach our children well. #factchecking

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                          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                            “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                            Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                            #65

                            @stux there's also something wrong with your school if all the kids do is memorizing shit. Just sayin'...

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                            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                              “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                              Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                              #66

                              @stux think of all the food they have to eat? We could simply throw that in the trash too.

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                              • a_denie@toot.ioA a_denie@toot.io

                                @stux @Remittancegirl especially when you're surrounded by nonsense that's being reproduced at light speed.

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                                #67

                                @A_denie @stux @Remittancegirl
                                Yeah and the biggest lie in that whole scheme is that ChatGPT knows nothing about facts. It just produces plausible looking output. Any similarities with actual facts is being lucky.

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                                • turre@mementomori.socialT turre@mementomori.social

                                  @A_denie @stux @Remittancegirl
                                  Yeah and the biggest lie in that whole scheme is that ChatGPT knows nothing about facts. It just produces plausible looking output. Any similarities with actual facts is being lucky.

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                                  #68

                                  @Turre @A_denie @stux @Remittancegirl Yeah, I've played around with some of these AI bots just to see what all the hype was about, and it's SHOCKINGLY easy to get them to confidently lie to you. Hell, I've seen lots of people use screenshots as evidence in discussions online, and it's all wrong.

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                                  • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                                    @stux

                                    This is your #source ? I ask because the text continues beyond that quoted statement.

                                    https://x.com/JuliaEMcCoy/status/2028538251196371374

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                                    #69

                                    @jerrej Nop, a screenshot from another comment somewhere

                                    Not Twitter at least 😉 so copy of a copy etc

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                                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                      #70

                                      @stux "... that ChatGPT can plagerize, lie about, and generally just make shit up, but in under a second! Whoa!" Personally, this just tells me that we can start teaching philosophy to kids at a much earlier age. Have them memorize lines from a play, etc. Basically, we can teach these kids whatever we want now, and it can be the good stuff. It's getting our local school boards in line that's the issue. My local is having issues with enrollment of all things. This whole system needs an enema.

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                                      • alfiekohn@sciences.socialA alfiekohn@sciences.social

                                        @stux

                                        Contrary to traditionalists' claims, rote memorization does not "train" the brain in a useful way that transfers. In fact, it can detract from higher-order thinking, not to mention how it wastes limited instructional time. And much of what kids are forced to commit to memory in a bunch-o'-facts curriculum is soon forgotten: https://www.alfiekohn.org/blogs/fuhgeddaboudit/

                                        Where A.I. does prove harmful is in bypassing thinking, reading, researching, and writing. That's where the gym-class analogy makes sense.

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                                        #71

                                        @alfiekohn I would assume having a large and diverse body of knowledge enables one to make connections that help solve problems, recognise patterns in structurally similar problems and transfer ideas into new solutions where they are needed. It's just a feeling/assumption that I have though. @stux

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                                        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                                          @stux Actually, more than knowing facts it is the ability to maintain more than a single idea in the brain at once.

                                          It is impossible to make informed choices if you cannot remember what the options are.

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                                          #72

                                          @Remittancegirl @stux Yes, exactly this! Holding two opposing thoughts generally creates cognitive dissonance, so it should be incredibly important to help kids early to understand what that feeling is and how to think critically through it in order to hold those thoughts and then respond instead of react negatively. I like this idea a lot!

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