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  3. Of all the ActivityPub servers that have ever been publicly available, how many do you think are still up today?

Of all the ActivityPub servers that have ever been publicly available, how many do you think are still up today?

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  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

    Of all the ActivityPub servers that have ever been publicly available, how many do you think are still up today?

    #EvanPoll #poll #fediverse #activitypub #sustainability

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    @evan There must be an enormous number of one-person servers, so the number of surviving servers need not tell much about the Fediverse as a whole.

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    • mrdk@mathstodon.xyzM mrdk@mathstodon.xyz

      @evan There must be an enormous number of one-person servers, so the number of surviving servers need not tell much about the Fediverse as a whole.

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      @mrdk As far as I can tell, about 47% of live servers are single-user.

      What do you mean that the lifetime of servers doesn't tell much about the Fediverse as a whole?

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      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

        @mrdk As far as I can tell, about 47% of live servers are single-user.

        What do you mean that the lifetime of servers doesn't tell much about the Fediverse as a whole?

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        #4

        @mrdk Also, as far as I can tell, about 55% of all Fediverse users are on the top 20 biggest servers. About 88% are on the top 100; about 99% are on the top 1000 biggest servers.

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        • mrdk@mathstodon.xyzM mrdk@mathstodon.xyz

          @evan There must be an enormous number of one-person servers, so the number of surviving servers need not tell much about the Fediverse as a whole.

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          #5

          @mrdk @evan

          Yes, perhaps might've been better to make the distinction, and ask for multi-person servers specifically.

          The term "server" itself is imho an unfortunate case of a lower-level abstraction (that of the installed base) creeping into a high-level one (that of the unified social network stratum). It is a passed station, but a multi-account server/instance might simply be called a Hub.

          "How do you join the fediverse, Self-hosted or via a Hub?"

          "My actors are all on Hubs."

          (Actor is also kind of a technical name, but Person doesn't match, and Identity is awkward. Account is possible, still technical. Fedizen might be used, but rings a bit weird.)

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          • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

            @mrdk @evan

            Yes, perhaps might've been better to make the distinction, and ask for multi-person servers specifically.

            The term "server" itself is imho an unfortunate case of a lower-level abstraction (that of the installed base) creeping into a high-level one (that of the unified social network stratum). It is a passed station, but a multi-account server/instance might simply be called a Hub.

            "How do you join the fediverse, Self-hosted or via a Hub?"

            "My actors are all on Hubs."

            (Actor is also kind of a technical name, but Person doesn't match, and Identity is awkward. Account is possible, still technical. Fedizen might be used, but rings a bit weird.)

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            @smallcircles @mrdk why?

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            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

              @smallcircles @mrdk why?

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              @smallcircles @mrdk Also, I ask the questions I want answers to. I don't like being told by other people what questions I should ask. If *you* want to ask some different question, you should definitely do it! Let me know, and I'll boost it.

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              • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                @mrdk @evan

                Yes, perhaps might've been better to make the distinction, and ask for multi-person servers specifically.

                The term "server" itself is imho an unfortunate case of a lower-level abstraction (that of the installed base) creeping into a high-level one (that of the unified social network stratum). It is a passed station, but a multi-account server/instance might simply be called a Hub.

                "How do you join the fediverse, Self-hosted or via a Hub?"

                "My actors are all on Hubs."

                (Actor is also kind of a technical name, but Person doesn't match, and Identity is awkward. Account is possible, still technical. Fedizen might be used, but rings a bit weird.)

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                #8

                @mrdk @evan

                On reflection I think "Actor" is okay. It is accurate, and they need not be Person actors, can be all kinds. They are how you act i.e. are represented on the social network.

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                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                  @smallcircles @mrdk Also, I ask the questions I want answers to. I don't like being told by other people what questions I should ask. If *you* want to ask some different question, you should definitely do it! Let me know, and I'll boost it.

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                  @evan @mrdk

                  Don't worry. I am not *telling* you, I am *musing* on the phrasing of the poll.

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                  • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                    @evan @mrdk

                    Don't worry. I am not *telling* you, I am *musing* on the phrasing of the poll.

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                    #10

                    @smallcircles @mrdk I wonder what the implications you read into the poll that made you think that single-user servers shouldn't count. What do you think it is "really" asking, or should be really asking?

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                    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                      @smallcircles @mrdk I wonder what the implications you read into the poll that made you think that single-user servers shouldn't count. What do you think it is "really" asking, or should be really asking?

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                      #11

                      @evan @mrdk

                      I think most people giving an estimate will picture multi-account servers, don't directly think of single-person servers. It also happened unwittingly with me. The first group I'd vote b) and the second (all-inclusive) I'd vote c).

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                      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                        @mrdk As far as I can tell, about 47% of live servers are single-user.

                        What do you mean that the lifetime of servers doesn't tell much about the Fediverse as a whole?

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                        @evan @mrdk
                        I think the implication is whether you want to think about people or servers. Your question is about servers which might not say much about people.

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                        • virtuous_sloth@cosocial.caV virtuous_sloth@cosocial.ca

                          @evan @mrdk
                          I think the implication is whether you want to think about people or servers. Your question is about servers which might not say much about people.

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                          #13

                          @virtuous_sloth @mrdk yes, I'd probably say something like, "Of all the people who've ever had ActivityPub accounts, how many are still available today," or something similar.

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                          • mrdk@mathstodon.xyzM mrdk@mathstodon.xyz

                            @evan There must be an enormous number of one-person servers, so the number of surviving servers need not tell much about the Fediverse as a whole.

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                            @mrdk Out of curiosity, what's the reason you use 'Comment' as a content warning?

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                            • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                              @mrdk Out of curiosity, what's the reason you use 'Comment' as a content warning?

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                              @malte Because I did not have a good idea about what I could use as title for my content warning. And I still wanted to hide my text because I did not want to influence the poll.

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                              • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                @mrdk Also, as far as I can tell, about 55% of all Fediverse users are on the top 20 biggest servers. About 88% are on the top 100; about 99% are on the top 1000 biggest servers.

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                                @evan @mrdk do you follow a particular methodology or data source to get these stats? It'd be nice to know (and make a note).

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