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  • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

    Czech your passwords.

    kasperd@westergaard.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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    #32

    I am happy to announce that I just tested those passwords in the password strength evaluation that I wrote for Intempus. And both of them fail due to repetitions. Using ř scores slightly higher, but only because there is also r in my username.

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    • falken@social.falkensweb.comF falken@social.falkensweb.com

      @kajer @MegaMichelle @jupiter @CrackMeIfYouCan though careful not to lock yourself out because a keyboard bug stops you entering the characters... https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/04/12/apple-update-turns-czech-mate-for-locked-out-iphone-user/5219671

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      #33

      @falken In some Android keyboards it's ridiculously hard to type a $ character. Don't ask me how I noticed.

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      • mkyral@mamutovo.czM mkyral@mamutovo.cz

        @TheKeystoneCollective @jupiter

        StrčPrstSkrz1Krk is more safe 😄

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        #34

        Nah, yours is three characters shorter. So I rate the previous one as a bit more secure. But both are rated pretty high by my calculations.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @jupiter

          Enter password

          RødgrødMedFløde

          Enter password

          RødgrødMedFløde

          Enter password

          That is my password!

          There's something off about how you type the password. Access denied

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          #35

          @benroyce @jupiter

          In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
          ...

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          • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

            @benroyce @jupiter

            In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
            ...

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            #36

            @benroyce @jupiter ...

            See an old post of mine on Unix stackexchange:
            https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/494883/utf8-character-makes-file-inaccessible/494909#494909

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            • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

              @benroyce @jupiter ...

              See an old post of mine on Unix stackexchange:
              https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/494883/utf8-character-makes-file-inaccessible/494909#494909

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              #37

              @dryak @jupiter

              well way to ruin my stupid joke!

              just kidding

              it is a serious issue

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              • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                Czech your passwords.

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                #38

                @jupiter

                Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja XD

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                • falken@social.falkensweb.comF falken@social.falkensweb.com

                  @kajer @MegaMichelle @jupiter @CrackMeIfYouCan though careful not to lock yourself out because a keyboard bug stops you entering the characters... https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/04/12/apple-update-turns-czech-mate-for-locked-out-iphone-user/5219671

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                  #39

                  I totally agree with that. There was a time where I used machines with both Danish and American keyboard layouts on a daily basis. So I learned to pick passwords consisting of only characters that were located in the same place on both keyboards.

                  And that was a time when only ASCII was supported, so I had to keep that in mind as well.

                  The best way to make passwords stronger is to make them longer rather than using more different characters.

                  I am so annoyed by sites that get this wrong. First they reject my 32 character password because it’s too long. So I try truncating my password to 12, 16, or 20 characters (whatever they permit), and then they reject it because I only have alphanumeric characters. Seriously, the password I started with was stronger than such a short password could ever be. So the weakness of the password I am trying is entirely caused by their low limit on password length and not by the set of characters I had chosen to use.

                  A user should be allowed to use a password consisting of only two distinct characters as long as it’s long enough and doesn’t have any patterns.

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                  • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    Czech your passwords.

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                    #40

                    @jupiter Clearly you rrrrrrr inverting the dunce cap...

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                    • cy@chaos.socialC cy@chaos.social

                      @jupiter Germans use Passwörd!

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                      #41

                      Surprisingly that password is not found in https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords, are you sure there are actually Germans using that?

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                      • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        Czech your passwords.

                        w00p@infosec.exchangeW This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #42

                        @jupiter the impossible-to-pronounce-for-a-non-Czech password

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                        • kasperd@westergaard.socialK kasperd@westergaard.social

                          Surprisingly that password is not found in https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords, are you sure there are actually Germans using that?

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                          #43

                          @kasperd @jupiter i like my passwords like my potatoes! heavily salted

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                          • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            Czech your passwords.

                            beyoublahaj@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #44

                            @jupiter Going for extra Polish is also a valid strategy.

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                            • evdelen@mstdn.caE evdelen@mstdn.ca

                              @benroyce @jupiter

                              https://kuber.studio/cookie/

                              Follow this one past the typing test... Not that far off from the truth.

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                              #45

                              @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter
                              I’ve done this test before, using the same device, and this programme did NOT recognise me – or rather, my device.
                              All the details about my device were wrong again: two matches – namely ‘Windows’ (which almost every device has; I would at least have expected the version to be specified) and ‘x86’ (which is also standard, but the RAM was listed incorrectly too).
                              So it seems my settings are correct.

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                              • greynerd65@mastodon.socialG greynerd65@mastodon.social

                                @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter
                                I’ve done this test before, using the same device, and this programme did NOT recognise me – or rather, my device.
                                All the details about my device were wrong again: two matches – namely ‘Windows’ (which almost every device has; I would at least have expected the version to be specified) and ‘x86’ (which is also standard, but the RAM was listed incorrectly too).
                                So it seems my settings are correct.

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                                #46

                                @greynerd65 @evdelen @jupiter

                                "directorate of analysis, make a note on this file: greynerd65 fell for the social hack of leaking opsec details by luring them into a false sense of informality"

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @jupiter

                                  Enter password

                                  RødgrødMedFløde

                                  Enter password

                                  RødgrødMedFløde

                                  Enter password

                                  That is my password!

                                  There's something off about how you type the password. Access denied

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                                  #47

                                  Interestingly the lower case version of that password is found in exactly one leak known to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

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                                  • w00p@infosec.exchangeW w00p@infosec.exchange

                                    @jupiter the impossible-to-pronounce-for-a-non-Czech password

                                    kasperd@westergaard.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #48

                                    The pronunciation point got me wondering whether an American would be able to pronounce this password: zzzccccczczczcczczcc

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                                    • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

                                      @benroyce @jupiter

                                      In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
                                      ...

                                      jan@social.janantos.comJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #49

                                      @dryak @benroyce @jupiter few years ago my ETL to analytics cube start suddenly failing because of company enabled registration via mobile app and one user decided to have username as “Princess👑👑👑” yeah I know I wasn’t sanitizing input enough, but tbh no one expected this when the ETL was designed.

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                                      • cy@chaos.socialC cy@chaos.social

                                        @kasperd @jupiter i like my passwords like my potatoes! heavily salted

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                                        #50

                                        For sure, leaving out the salt is highly irresponsible.

                                        But I don’t trust sites to be salting, so I pick passwords that are strong enough that even if a site stored it using a single iteration of MD5 with no salting it would not be broken.

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                                        • kasperd@westergaard.socialK kasperd@westergaard.social

                                          Interestingly the lower case version of that password is found in exactly one leak known to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

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                                          #51

                                          @kasperd @jupiter

                                          that's why my password is

                                          a æ u å æ ø i æ å

                                          🤭

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