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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

    @FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

    It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

    I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

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    #194

    @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Unfortunately, you cannot do complete backups of android devices if you are not rooted. You may have a phone in use currently, which you didn't have the foresight to bootloader unlock and root when you initially got it, and thus installing any custom ROM is not very interesting as you would loose a large part of your data. The part of the data that you would lose is unknown as app/phone backups are opaque, and might also result in losing access to some messaging applications if not done carefully. In the best case, you would have a second phone from which to transfer data from, as a reference (and for messaging apps that can transfer accounts between devices).
    At least, that's how I see it. The process itself is easy, but the steps before and after are much more scary.

    In all, I do agree with your initial premise that LineageOS and other custom ROMs will become more popular for those that have android headsets that have unlockable bootloaders and have the initial knowhow.
    We do seriously need more alternatives to Android and iOS, such as postmarketOS, as the current state of things is getting very dire. Unfortunately, the hardware itself is not very standardised and manufacturers want to keep control to squeeze a few more cents from each device…

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day
      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
      * confirm that you accept the risks
      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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      #195

      @grote Google can FUCK right off. NO ONE should have to do ANY of this.

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        #196

        @monapp @grote installing a custom rom is not that fucking easy lol

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        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

          * enable developer options
          * confirm that you are not tricked
          * restart phone and re-authenticate
          * wait one day
          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
          * confirm that you accept the risks
          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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          #197

          @grote That's a ridiculous number of hoops to jump through to use your own phone...

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          • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

            @TimWardCam @grote I feel like you're inventing a weird fictional scenario here to be mad about, but Google Play already has support for limited distribution of apps for internal testing without requiring all of the steps required to publish an app in the Play Store: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9845334?hl=en

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            #198

            @tedmielczarek @grote No, it was a real job I had at a real company. I just wondered whether people would still be able to do that.

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            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

              * enable developer options
              * confirm that you are not tricked
              * restart phone and re-authenticate
              * wait one day
              * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
              * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
              * confirm that you accept the risks
              * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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              #199

              @grote@chaos.social What a fucking dumpsterfire, well I guess it's time to develop a RISC-V operating system for phones that is actually open source, and deploy open hardware infrastructure hosted by actual human beings and not FUCKING CORPORATIONS to support international communications with them.
              Though in fairness I guess if that even happened corporations would lobby to regulate against it so we'd be fucked anyway
              ​​
              Also idk how we'd do transatlantic shit... I hate the world.

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day
                * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                * confirm that you accept the risks
                * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                #200

                @grote@chaos.social Using third party apps that are not in PlayStore is a hacker thing now?

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day
                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                  #201

                  @grote

                  calling it "sideloading" is already an insult. it's not a sideloading, it's installing an app like we used to (and still do) install apps on PC forever. inventing scary slurs is a psychological trick that we should not accept.

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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                    * enable developer options
                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                    * wait one day
                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                    #202

                    @grote So they decided to make it more complicated than installing a free Android distribution.

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                    • ziclaud@mastodon.socialZ ziclaud@mastodon.social

                      *Cries in Redmi phones* (they're not allowing me to unlock the bootloader 💀)

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                      #203

                      @ziclaud

                      You need to make a xiaomi account and bind it to your device. It has a 24+h wait, allegedly. I have no idea how it works, though, I have never done it.

                      I'd recommend using something else than a phone. 🫠

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                      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                        * enable developer options
                        * confirm that you are not tricked
                        * restart phone and re-authenticate
                        * wait one day
                        * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                        * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                        * confirm that you accept the risks
                        * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                        #204

                        @grote they're stepping back a lot so the pushback is clearly working, keep it up until we get rid of this entirely

                        i must admit, this is a lot better than what i thought their "advanced flow" would be. don't give them a single inch though, if this is implemented it'll be the first step towards fully killing off installing the apps you want to use on your device that you paid for

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                        • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                          @tehstu @grote bold of you to assume that multibillion-dollar companies play by the same rules as average developers. If Apple locked down macOS installation to the App Store Google would just call them up and negotiate an exception (if Apple didn't just build one in from the outset).

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                          #205

                          @tedmielczarek @grote You put more thought into the joke than I did, to be fair.

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day
                            * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                            * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                            * confirm that you accept the risks
                            * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            #206
                            @grote I mean, at that point using adb is kinda easier
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                            • dusk@nou.fai.stD dusk@nou.fai.st
                              @grote I mean, at that point using adb is kinda easier
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                              #207

                              @dusk https://chaos.social/@grote/116257742125864690

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                              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                                #208

                                @grote
                                Not watching it. Thank you

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                  * enable developer options
                                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                  * wait one day
                                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                  #209

                                  @grote I'm very thankful to google for covering the incredibly common case where I'm forced at gunpoint to install a malicious apk. Now such attacks will require attackers to kidnap me for a couple of days, which severely limits their options.

                                  We can finally break the cycle of coercion where after being scammed into installing an apk, I started scamming people into installing apks.

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                                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                    * enable developer options
                                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                    * wait one day
                                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                    #210

                                    @grote it will REQUIRE biometrics? See, @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57 this is what I mean. Whole world wants to put biometrics in everything. It's nonsense

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                                    • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK kevinrns@mstdn.social

                                      @raymaccarthy @utf_7 @grote

                                      Dont use bank apps. Find a Credit Union

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                                      #211

                                      @kevinrns @utf_7 @grote
                                      That won't work.

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                                      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                        * enable developer options
                                        * confirm that you are not tricked
                                        * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                        * wait one day
                                        * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                        * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                        * confirm that you accept the risks
                                        * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                        #212

                                        @grote I guess I'd be fine with the rest, but wait one day... geez, are you kidding me?

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                                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                          * enable developer options
                                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                          * wait one day
                                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                          reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
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                                          #213
                                          @grote I think this is what people in the industry would call "a steaming pile of horseshit"
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