Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[bangskij@climatejustice.social]

@grote guess I'm never buying a new phone ever again

[akamran@indieweb.social]

@jon_bon same here. If I can't do that, then there's really no point in not buying an iPhone. I wonder if Samsung and other Android phone makers have been asked about how this will impact their sales?

@grote @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroidOrg @accrescent

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@nazokiyoubinbou @Razemix @FifiSch @grote Okay, I'm sorry, but you can't really say that installing LineageOS is easy and "just a few clicks". For most people that. Is. Not. Easy. I've installed it on three different OnePlus phones and one Samsung tablet and that was an extremely conscious effort. You need to read the documentation really carefully and know what to ignore in it. Installing the SDK is not self-explanatory, you have to make sure it's properly installed with plenty of pitfalls along the way. You need to make sure to have a USB cable that will work to get the phone recognised (if you even know that that's a factor you need to consider). Don't even get me started on the mess with the Samsung device and running Odin _several_ times before getting the patch applied. Unlocking bootloader, booting into recovery, following all those steps. That is not something you can expect people who aren't _really committed_ to do. Add to that the huge mistake LineageOS recently made where you had to reinstall everything, and based on pretty lackluster documentation regarding what you actually had to do and what you could skip (since it wasn't as device-specific as they led you to believe). Or the rather annoying upgrade process when bumping a major version number (eg. 21 -> 22)

Installing GrapheneOS via WebUSB was surprisingly easy, but don't make the mistake that this is something a lot of people will even dare to try. "Just install LineageOS" is unfortunately not a sensible thing to say. It's not too different from saying that anyone could just replace the brake discs on their car on their own if they want, "it's just some bolts". I'd love it if there was some easy fix for us, but this is a huge problem for all of us.

[nev@status.nevillepark.ca]

@grote at least (for now) they say a device PIN is an alternative to biometrics. (I refuse to enable biometric authentication on my phone.)

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@nev @grote Yeah it's just whatever your primary authentication method for sensitive configuration actions is.

[Gæst]

@resuna @Umbreon @LexYeen @grote

Backloading, with no reacharound

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@grote This is still bad, and I don't want to downplay that, but it's a one-time thing users of F-Droid or other non-Play app sources will do once when setting up their phones and be done with. It's what I expected, and nowhere near as bad as being completely locked out or forced to go thru a waiting period/exemption process each time.

Still, we should continue to push back for a better outcome. Like dropping this nonsense entirely.

[valpackett@social.treehouse.systems]

@barefootstache @terminaltilt @old_angry_queer @grote no, of course not. they also usually "expire" every once in a while and you have to enter the password if you've only been using biometrics for a couple days

[mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org]

@grote or device PIN, thankfully; if it required biometrics I’d go up in anger

[geonz@mathstodon.xyz]

@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
The techfolks of the "they should just be able to do this!" variety basically cannot understand certain realities.

[autolycos@beige.party]

@confusomu @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote I JUST WANT A GOD-DAMNED ROTARY PHONE

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@geonz @Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote It's easy enough to add insults, yeah, but the thing I'm not understanding is why people can't just follow a set of instructions that say "tap here, then there, connect the cable, copy and paste this text, done."

In fact, the fear there doesn't even make sense to me. Where do people even get the idea that they're so likely to brick? I won't say bricks never ever happened, but they really aren't that common. It's VERY hard to brick it so bad it can't be fixed just by redoing the process and following the instructions instead of typing something different or yanking out the cable or whatever. Even if you get the wrong image you can just flash the correct one after. It won't hard brick...

I don't even know how you could hard brick most...

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@geonz @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Yeah, that's one of the reasons I stopped replying.

[quenby@cutie.city]

@maddy

Good idea but also I really love your profile picture.

[geonz@mathstodon.xyz]

@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote (It reminds me of organized people who are "you're just not trying!" )

[lexyeen@plush.city]

@AlisonW @grote good(?) news, "jaywalking" isn't illegal in California.

this is only questionable because this makes it harder to do crime while being gay.

[_chris_real@kolektiva.social]

@grote

Yeah, yeah . . . Facebook said META would rule too.

Meanwhile, Lenovo, a major player, says 'Nuh-Uh" to Legacy defaults for Microsoft— with detailed performance reasons.

Ubuntu is their default OS, now . . .

[govinda_hari@hostux.social]

@leanderlindahl @grote
Noted.

I refuse to use the prefix meta- for Facebook.
Next generation [of people] will think ''metadata'' refers to data of Facebook.

[deborahh@cosocial.ca]

@grote @gnomon
"with biometrics" …
Na-uhn. Nope.

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@grote Yes and enabling the developer options in the first place is a non trivial thing either. (I mean for us that's second nature, but for regular users that's yet another step they have to learn how to do.)

Edit: The mic in that video looks like a fucking prop. No way the sound is actually recorded on that thing