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  • lily_and_frog@mastodon.artL lily_and_frog@mastodon.art

    @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

    It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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    #42

    @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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    • bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB bytebro@mastodonapp.uk

      @mcc @cwebber

      Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

      "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

      I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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      #43

      @bytebro @mcc @cwebber nested incompleteness; how can the auditor audit itself

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      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

        @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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        #44

        @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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        • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

          @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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          #45

          @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

          Yeah, it smells of desperation.

          On the other hand, no one in power cared for the long term for a very long time.

          All those AI investors never stopped to ask themselves "who will buy the stuff if everyone loses their job" either...

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #46

            @cwebber I'm writing an explainer on this. Should be out in the next day or so. I broke it down into four main parties: OpenAI/SpaceX/Anthropic; capital markets, the US government, and creepy nerds.

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            • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

              @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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              #47

              @brunogirin @cwebber I mean, almost by definition!

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              • megmac@social.treehouse.systemsM megmac@social.treehouse.systems

                @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                #48

                @megmac @cwebber right. Taking advantage of the controversy.

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                • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                  @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                  #49

                  @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                  • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

                    @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                    #50

                    @raphaelmorgan @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics so far this is the only answer that makes some sense.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                      #51

                      RE: https://mamot.fr/@homlett/117270256444800551

                      @cwebber

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                        #52

                        @cwebber

                        Regulatory capture -- always a fun game for sociopaths

                        https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/14/big-ai-sets-out-its-terms-for-regulatory-capture-and-calls-it-pace-the-frontier/5296067

                        https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2026/09/14/viral-ai-doom-post-sparks-market-fear-and-regulatory-capture-concerns-for-nasdaq-nvda-nasdaq-googl-nasdaq-amd/

                        https://www.theregreview.org/2026/08/31/shapiro-regulatory-capture-and-the-fossil-fuel-companies-attempts-to-preempt-tort-lawsuits/

                        Tort law manipulation in disguise.

                        The fossil fuel industry & its shills in AI want what the gun lobby got; the impunity to mass murder
                        https://themodernregulator.com/how-regulatory-capture-works-and-what-regulators-can-do-about-it/

                        The goal is to shield profits & privilege to a select few.
                        https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/regulatory-capture/

                        https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/bootleggers-baptists-and-ai/

                        It also balloons profits for bootleggers, just like Prohibition did for the mafia

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                          #53

                          @cwebber we do have to reign AI in, AI right now is enough of a threat, but the only people talking about safety are the ones that stand to gain financially from regulatory capture. Yet again the progressives self-own by blindly going the opposite direction of whatever capital is saying

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                          • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                            @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

                            But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

                            https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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                            #54

                            @evan @cwebber part of the HPMoR crowd...

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                            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                              @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

                              But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

                              https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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                              #55

                              @evan @cwebber whatever the "real" story here, they are bad people and should not get what they want

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                              • aoristdual@floss.socialA aoristdual@floss.social

                                @cwebber I suspect also that they would like to reign in their outrageous R&D costs.

                                They know their customers are not loyal and are sensitive to both price and perceived quality.

                                Establishing an anticompetitive cabal fixes that problem.

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                                #56

                                @aoristdual @cwebber rein: horses and LLMs
                                reign: kings

                                Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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                                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                  @cwebber

                                  Regulatory capture -- always a fun game for sociopaths

                                  https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/14/big-ai-sets-out-its-terms-for-regulatory-capture-and-calls-it-pace-the-frontier/5296067

                                  https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2026/09/14/viral-ai-doom-post-sparks-market-fear-and-regulatory-capture-concerns-for-nasdaq-nvda-nasdaq-googl-nasdaq-amd/

                                  https://www.theregreview.org/2026/08/31/shapiro-regulatory-capture-and-the-fossil-fuel-companies-attempts-to-preempt-tort-lawsuits/

                                  Tort law manipulation in disguise.

                                  The fossil fuel industry & its shills in AI want what the gun lobby got; the impunity to mass murder
                                  https://themodernregulator.com/how-regulatory-capture-works-and-what-regulators-can-do-about-it/

                                  The goal is to shield profits & privilege to a select few.
                                  https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/regulatory-capture/

                                  https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/bootleggers-baptists-and-ai/

                                  It also balloons profits for bootleggers, just like Prohibition did for the mafia

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                                  #57

                                  @Npars01 @cwebber it's really a neat trick, effectively the tech sector's way of saying "we can wreck so much of your shit by screwing with your software, so maybe you should just give us the money and stop complaining"

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                                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                    @bytebro @cwebber Gödel said you can be complete *or* consistent. You get to pick one! And the Gödel sentences that prove you can't have both are *really* complicated, he had to work hard to design one. And English isn't a formal logic

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                                    @mcc > Gödel said you can be complete *or* consistent.

                                    ah is this why good backwards compatibility is at odds with a compact interface

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