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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

    Mozilla is cooked.

    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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    #10

    @jwz jfc. and they are putting not one cent of that to FLOSS projects, right?

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

      Mozilla is cooked.

      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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      #11

      @jwz FF used to be OK but sadly enshitified now. Not as bad as Chrome or Edge. Yet.

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

        Mozilla is cooked.

        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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        #12

        @jwz 1.4 BILLION after they closed their Open Source sponsorships too... 🙄

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        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

          Mozilla is cooked.

          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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          #13

          @jwz Did mozilla somehow end up with all the AI bros not competent enough to grift from VCs rather than nonprofits or something?

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

            That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

            Mozilla is cooked.

            https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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            #14

            @jwz It feels like someone needs to pull a Firefox on the Mozilla Foundation like Firefox did on the original Mozilla browser when it had lost its way.

            Take the core technology of Firefox & fork a non-AI browser that is focused on the web. That's what a large swath of people want. Then let the downloads do the talking.

            Firefox "won" because a lot of people were using it. Web developers loved it.

            Make a browser that people fall in love with because it works and is fast & reliable without AI.

            logomancer@soc.7thmagic.netL davidr@hachyderm.ioD 2 Replies Last reply
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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

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              #15

              @cstross @jwz

              We all need to remember where Google's money comes from... #PrinceBonesaw and Chris Hohn.

              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

              https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

              https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crown-prince-visits-apple-google-2018-4

              https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/chris-hohns-tci-made-18-9-billion-last-year-shattering-hedge-fund-records-e155153b

              We need more reporting on why the fossil fuel industry is suddenly so desperate to get AI into every aspect of tech & everyone's personal life

              Browsers, robots, vehicles, farm tractors, home appliances, laptops, cloud services, IOT medical devices, news, content creation...

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              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                Mozilla is cooked.

                https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                #16

                @jwz If users are so invested in the actions of this corporation, they should instead focus on creating a consumer cooperative for a browser so that they actually have a direct say in its operation

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                • csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC csstrowbridge@mastodon.social

                  @jwz

                  So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

                  Any recommendations.

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                  #17

                  @csstrowbridge

                  Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

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                    #18

                    @cstross @jwz I'm not so sure it's that. Mozilla view The Goog as a liability, and want to diversify revenue away from the disastrously single-sourced search royalties. They have concluded that the best way to do so is pursuing AI, while under the guise of "liberating" AI from corporate control. The latter is of course a joke, since uhhhh where exactly do those foundation models come from, even the "open" ones?

                    https://taggart-tech.com/mozilla-cycle-pt3/

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                      Mozilla is cooked.

                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                      #19

                      @jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?

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                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                        Mozilla is cooked.

                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                        #20

                        @jwz
                        that's like 10-15 F-35 fighter jets, or 1/20th of one block of a nuclear powerplant

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                          Mozilla is cooked.

                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                          #21

                          @jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.

                          There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?

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                          • czauner@social.vivaldi.netC czauner@social.vivaldi.net

                            @csstrowbridge

                            Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.

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                            #22

                            @czauner @csstrowbridge Same goes for @zenbrowser, which is Firefox based.
                            I haven’t used it much, but I think I will take a closer look in the near future.

                            https://floss.social/@zenbrowser/115731119480346990

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                            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                              Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                              That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                              Mozilla is cooked.

                              https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                              #23

                              @jwz Jesus. Makes me feel better about moving to Waterfox/Librewolf, as they at least strip out the crap Mozilla throws in. Upstream is still always a worry, but at least there's an emergency hatch for the moment.

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                              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                Mozilla is cooked.

                                https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                #24

                                @jwz What is with their Goatse logo?

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                                • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

                                  @jwz It feels like someone needs to pull a Firefox on the Mozilla Foundation like Firefox did on the original Mozilla browser when it had lost its way.

                                  Take the core technology of Firefox & fork a non-AI browser that is focused on the web. That's what a large swath of people want. Then let the downloads do the talking.

                                  Firefox "won" because a lot of people were using it. Web developers loved it.

                                  Make a browser that people fall in love with because it works and is fast & reliable without AI.

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                                  #25
                                  @GreatBigTable
                                  This is sort of happening with Servo, which started as a Mozilla project to improve rendering on Firefox before it got cut and ended up in thr hands of thr Linux Foundation: https://servo.org/
                                  @jwz
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                                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                    Mozilla is cooked.

                                    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                    #26

                                    @jwz why did you choose that image

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                                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                      Mozilla is cooked.

                                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                      #27

                                      @jwz said it for year.

                                      they trow money in AI, yet help of the security people i know won't use anything related to firefox, due to a lack of sandbox security, and of course of the chromisation of firefox (why use a cheap copy when you can use the original).

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                                      • n4ch1sm0@mastodon.socialN n4ch1sm0@mastodon.social

                                        @jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.

                                        There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?

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                                        #28

                                        @n4ch1sm0 @jwz also many firefox fork you may find they cannot fix the inherent issue of compatibility and sandbox security without becoming an hard fork and need much much more money to do it.

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                                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                          Mozilla is cooked.

                                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                          #29

                                          @jwz
                                          I told them, I did. I said 'no more AI'.

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