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  • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

    Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

    Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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    #33

    @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

    If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

    I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

    Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

    He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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    • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

      @JdeBP @Floppy what's worse, a fascist or a cryptofascist?

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      #34

      @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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      • gustavommg@mastodon.socialG gustavommg@mastodon.social

        @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

        If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

        I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

        Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

        He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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        #35

        @Floppy To be clear, fascism is deceptive. It destroys beauty, order, and masculinity.

        It places war and other forms of violence as its highest ideal, because of poorly informed history.

        With this as its main attribute, it destroys itself or destroyed by its copies. That’s not how the world works, because it exists, creates, and sustains.

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        • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

          @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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          #36

          @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

          https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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          • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

            @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

            https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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            #37

            @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
            cryptofascists!
            crypto cryptofascists!
            cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

            nooo!!

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            • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

              @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
              cryptofascists!
              crypto cryptofascists!
              cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

              nooo!!

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              #38

              @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy it's fascists all the way down, you see.

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              • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy it's fascists all the way down, you see.

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                #39

                @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                away with your fascist earth theory 🫷🏻

                I mean, its probably true, but get it away from me!

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                • _r@donotsta.re_ _r@donotsta.re

                  @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I feel like this needlessly inflates how many fascists there actually are. every time someone is revealed to be a fascist, it’s a whole news story - because it’s relatively rare.

                  But because you hear about every fascist who happens to maintain or lead something, they seems a lot more than the thousands of people who aren’t fascist, who are just quietly maintaining something without fanfare or big red alerts.

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                  #40

                  @_r @Floppy that they all know each other and work together on this is important however

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                  • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                    @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                    away with your fascist earth theory 🫷🏻

                    I mean, its probably true, but get it away from me!

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                    #41

                    @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy I appall myself at the thought of it!

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                    • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                      @Floppy
                      Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                      #42

                      @vvilhelmus @Floppy I'm not saying it's *always* mastodon.social,

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                      • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                        @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                        #43

                        @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy if you think you have the option not to be, lucky you

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                        • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                          Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                          Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                          #44

                          @Floppy

                          much of modern biomedical research depends on tools that were not patented by the people who discovered them

                          eg
                          Green Fluorescent Protein and 2 Hybrid

                          PCR is an odd exception

                          2 hybrid
                          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2705515/

                          GFP
                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9759496/

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                          • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                            Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                            Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                            #45

                            @Floppy 😭

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                            • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                              @Floppy
                              Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                              #46

                              @vvilhelmus @Floppy "but I'm just asking questions 🤡"

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                              • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                #47

                                @Floppy the code is crucial. The guh is not.

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                                • janvenetor@mastodontti.fiJ janvenetor@mastodontti.fi

                                  @kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all 😕

                                  Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

                                  It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

                                  I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

                                  https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

                                  #politics

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                                  #48

                                  @janvenetor I feel I need to say, "Not ALL engineers". And I am not one, but I know this is true for ALL large groups, of any kind.

                                  But I did note that there is a common kind of 'engineer mindset' that seems to prefer closed-system thinking, or is uncomfortable with open-system thinking or unanswered questions. If you believe (or hope) that you live in a deterministic, closed system, then it's very easy to consider conspiracy theories and the like to explain complex, esoteric phenomena.

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                                  • fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

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                                    #49

                                    @fazalmajid And yet, totalitarian regimes attack ideas at least as vigorously as they attack people. I don't believe it's because they're foolish and reactive (though they often are). It's because Bulwer-Lytton was right: The pen really is mightier than the sword, and they know it. As, I believe, do most people, even if not consciously.

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                                    • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                                      @Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.

                                      But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.

                                      As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.

                                      However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".

                                      Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.

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                                      #50

                                      @xChaos @Floppy Look at social systems as communication, & Conway's Law explains why it's more than just "being an asshole": communication structures replicate themselves. A fascist will replicate fascist infrastructure, because that's how they understand the world.

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                                      • janvenetor@mastodontti.fiJ janvenetor@mastodontti.fi

                                        @fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.

                                        "We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."

                                        #politics

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                                        #51

                                        @janvenetor Definitely true. And I think that most people who've ever gotten into technical fields of any kind are keenly aware of how limited that knowledge really is, in practical consideration of others, even related ones. I worked in FM for years, and I can't tell you much useful at all about AM. That might seem dumb to anyone who's worked in neither, but it's true; they're different enough that knowledge in one ports poorly to the other. Bomb-building is its own skill set.

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                                        • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                          Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                          Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                          #52

                                          @Floppy Needs a bunch of spikes coming out the side and falling off that say, "Projects that might have done different but everyone made fun of."

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