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  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

    the internet loves grapheneOS, the secure AOSP fork that also makes Android nicely usable without the LLM crap

    <yelling from out of frame>

    …ah. this just in, grapheneOS has decided to start codegooning core apps and security fixes and now they’re exhaustingly defending doing that

    > Many valid issues are reported in between the hallucinations and other nonsense.

    oh I see, what a relief

    > Attackers are heavily using AI models to discover vulnerabilities and develop exploits. For example, Cellebrite is heavily using it including developing frameworks for reverse engineering and vulnerability discovery.

    gotta use the wrongness machine, no sorry, “frontier models” because the coptech adversary is using them and also mythic’s great at finding vulnerabilities til you find out you can do the same job without it. great! https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117226938743085364

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    #16

    if you’re in infosec or pretending to be in infosec and you’re about to start gooning in this thread with the contents of anthropic’s marketing campaign for mythic, a model whose results are shit: reconsider

    reconsider a lot of things, really

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    • aspensmonster@tenforward.socialA aspensmonster@tenforward.social

      @zzt FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

      /me inhales

      FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

      god fucking dammit graphene

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      #17

      @aspensmonster that’s my inner monologue too

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      • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

        @xinit @zzt

        "You wouldn't know them, they go to a different school. In Canada."

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        #18

        @pikesley
        Oh, yeah? I'm from Canada. Is it Steve? Untrustworthy, that Steve.
        @zzt

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        • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH hazelnot@sunbeam.city

          @ariarhythmic @avesbury_rosetta @zzt the issue is that Graphene is (or was) the most secure OS, at least in the mobile space. The one activists use because not even the police can break its security.

          Meanwhile Linux is less secure than even macOS and Windows, I like it, I use it on all of my PCs, but not for *security* reasons.

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          #19

          @hazelnot @avesbury_rosetta @zzt The Linux ecosystem has the potential for it, though; it just needs to be realized with openness, and empowering users in mind instead of the way Google decided to do it.

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          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

            if you’re in infosec or pretending to be in infosec and you’re about to start gooning in this thread with the contents of anthropic’s marketing campaign for mythic, a model whose results are shit: reconsider

            reconsider a lot of things, really

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            #20

            @zzt I have zero idea what you're talking about but I am here for the piss and fire.

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            • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

              @xinit @zzt

              "You wouldn't know them, they go to a different school. In Canada."

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              #21

              @pikesley @xinit @zzt I have the Ariel glasses meme in my head 🤣

              And now the glasses are Pervert glasses 😭

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              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                > That increase is despite adding features slowly down a lot. A massive monolithic kernel written in a memory unsafe language is a bigger liability than ever.

                rust in the kernel is in the corner like “am I a joke to you”

                it’s uhhh real rich that the AOSP fork suddenly has a problem with a massive monolithic kernel written in a memory unsafe language now that LLMs are on the table

                and the solution is just LLMs, only that. not fixing the massive, monolithic, or unsafe language bits at all. making them much worse, in fact. thanks!

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                #22

                also, here’s how much you can trust that they’re only using it strictly for reviews:

                https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/117235031728518322

                > The AGENTS.md talks about the bot writing new code. On the available evidence I don't actually believe they're not coding with it.

                not that “only doing using it for reviews” gets good results. you end up programming the way the LLM insists you should anyway. reviewing like this is exhausting and quality goes straight into the toilet. most people just cognitively surrender to the bot after a bit. this is an extremely common methodology in professional code, and it’s the reason why half the software you use right now fucking sucks.

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                • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                  @hazelnot @avesbury_rosetta @zzt The Linux ecosystem has the potential for it, though; it just needs to be realized with openness, and empowering users in mind instead of the way Google decided to do it.

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                  #23

                  @ariarhythmic
                  @hazelnot @zzt
                  If I recall the main limitations in Linux are

                  • Lack of proper hardening in the stock kernel, including the memory hardening that Graphene does
                  • Lack of a MAC by default, like Apparmor or SELinux

                  These can be fixed

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                  • anarchoninawrites@jorts.horseA anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse

                    @zzt I have zero idea what you're talking about but I am here for the piss and fire.

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                    #24

                    @AnarchoNinaWrites hahaha happy to provide!

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                    • aspensmonster@tenforward.socialA aspensmonster@tenforward.social

                      @zzt FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

                      /me inhales

                      FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

                      god fucking dammit graphene

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                      #25

                      @aspensmonster @zzt Pace yourself; with this much cursing to be done, it's an endurance event, not a sprint.

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        @AnarchoNinaWrites hahaha happy to provide!

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                        #26

                        @zzt At this point I think I'd pay a vlog subscription at like 50 bucks a month, happily, if a guy promised to just show me videos of him telling AI evangelicals to "get a real job you fucking Moonie"

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                        • xinit@mastodon.coffeeX xinit@mastodon.coffee

                          @zzt
                          "It's a new developer we hired"

                          Why did they hire them, if not to slop?

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                          #27

                          @xinit They didn't hire them! They're contractors who pay for their own llm use (but are maybe getting compensated for that). Because, of course, Graphene can't afford to actually hire developers.

                          @zzt

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                          • avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.worldA avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.world

                            @ariarhythmic
                            @hazelnot @zzt
                            If I recall the main limitations in Linux are

                            • Lack of proper hardening in the stock kernel, including the memory hardening that Graphene does
                            • Lack of a MAC by default, like Apparmor or SELinux

                            These can be fixed

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                            #28

                            @avesbury_rosetta @hazelnot @zzt The very design of Linux is a horrible mess, it's not really about incremental hardening improvements.

                            It can be secure, yes, since GrapheneOS is secure, but honestly, we really need a better kernel project.

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                            • aspensmonster@tenforward.socialA aspensmonster@tenforward.social

                              @zzt FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

                              /me inhales

                              FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

                              god fucking dammit graphene

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                              #29

                              @aspensmonster I used to have that reaction, but this has got to be the third or fourth time something I wished I could have used/bought/migrated to full-on corrupted. (Versus the two or three times something I'm currently using blew up in my face.)

                              Now I'm at a constant "fuck it" and my throat feels better.

                              @zzt

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                              • anarchoninawrites@jorts.horseA anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse

                                @zzt At this point I think I'd pay a vlog subscription at like 50 bucks a month, happily, if a guy promised to just show me videos of him telling AI evangelicals to "get a real job you fucking Moonie"

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                                #30

                                @AnarchoNinaWrites yo @davidgerard we’ve got a second channel idea for pivot and at least one subscriber!

                                more or less what we do on awful.systems but in video form. actually not a bad idea at all, do we know anyone with a good voice for it?

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                                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                  @AnarchoNinaWrites yo @davidgerard we’ve got a second channel idea for pivot and at least one subscriber!

                                  more or less what we do on awful.systems but in video form. actually not a bad idea at all, do we know anyone with a good voice for it?

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                                  #31

                                  @zzt @AnarchoNinaWrites @davidgerard algernon takes a note to record a few demos later today

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                                  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                    if you’re in infosec or pretending to be in infosec and you’re about to start gooning in this thread with the contents of anthropic’s marketing campaign for mythic, a model whose results are shit: reconsider

                                    reconsider a lot of things, really

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                                    #32

                                    @zzt
                                    GOS: "It's fine if most of the output is wrong because it finds actual issues."

                                    Literally wat

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                                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                      the internet loves grapheneOS, the secure AOSP fork that also makes Android nicely usable without the LLM crap

                                      <yelling from out of frame>

                                      …ah. this just in, grapheneOS has decided to start codegooning core apps and security fixes and now they’re exhaustingly defending doing that

                                      > Many valid issues are reported in between the hallucinations and other nonsense.

                                      oh I see, what a relief

                                      > Attackers are heavily using AI models to discover vulnerabilities and develop exploits. For example, Cellebrite is heavily using it including developing frameworks for reverse engineering and vulnerability discovery.

                                      gotta use the wrongness machine, no sorry, “frontier models” because the coptech adversary is using them and also mythic’s great at finding vulnerabilities til you find out you can do the same job without it. great! https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117226938743085364

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                                      #33

                                      @zzt Looks like GrapheneOS is out as a possible OS for my old Pixel phone.

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                                      • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                                        @avesbury_rosetta @zzt we need mobile linux, to start with. Android is a non-open, user-adversarial dead end. It takes a special kind of wrong mindset to be as determined to work on, and advocate for it, as GrapheneOS

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                                        #34
                                        @ariarhythmic @avesbury_rosetta @zzt Now that there's slop in the Linux kernel too, it might make sense to start completely from scratch (while maybe keeping Linux/POSIX compatibility to tap into the existing applications).

                                        It's what I want to do too. Working title is KittyOS, an operating system built around end-user accessible scripting and programming features. I'm currently already developing the programming language for that, see the #Kittyscript hashtag or the repo at https://codeberg.org/LunaDragofelis/kittyscript-kotlin if you're curious. (TLDR: it's supposed to become an ultimate, all purpose, hyper-extensible programming language for everything from kernels to scripts.)
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                                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                          the internet loves grapheneOS, the secure AOSP fork that also makes Android nicely usable without the LLM crap

                                          <yelling from out of frame>

                                          …ah. this just in, grapheneOS has decided to start codegooning core apps and security fixes and now they’re exhaustingly defending doing that

                                          > Many valid issues are reported in between the hallucinations and other nonsense.

                                          oh I see, what a relief

                                          > Attackers are heavily using AI models to discover vulnerabilities and develop exploits. For example, Cellebrite is heavily using it including developing frameworks for reverse engineering and vulnerability discovery.

                                          gotta use the wrongness machine, no sorry, “frontier models” because the coptech adversary is using them and also mythic’s great at finding vulnerabilities til you find out you can do the same job without it. great! https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117226938743085364

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                                          #35

                                          @zzt *sigh* now I get to be hoping NetBSD gets drivers for my phone too

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