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  3. The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

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  • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

    The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

    I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

    #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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    #4

    @ilumium Or Nextcloud. Or The Document Foundation. Or the people behind Jitsi. Or any of a number of others!

    *Solutions exist!* They might not ship with built-in remote code execution vulnerabilities from opening a text file in a text editor, but maybe that's not a required feature for most use cases.

    #DigitalSovereignity

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    • txtx@mastodon.socialT txtx@mastodon.social

      @ilumium @zendis and this is just the German federal government? So it doesn't include regional governments, cities, etc?

      Now imagine how much money all the EU states give to Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, Amazon...

      It's absolutely mind bending, the jobs we could be supporting here in Europe.

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      #5

      @txtx @zendis @ilumium Just the federal government and some financially subsidized projects

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      • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

        @ilumium Or Nextcloud. Or The Document Foundation. Or the people behind Jitsi. Or any of a number of others!

        *Solutions exist!* They might not ship with built-in remote code execution vulnerabilities from opening a text file in a text editor, but maybe that's not a required feature for most use cases.

        #DigitalSovereignity

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        #6

        @mkj @ilumium ZENDIS is a Institution inside the federal government developing a “souvereign client” bases on OSS-Tools you mentioned. ZENDIS focusses on integration and extensions

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        • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

          The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

          I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

          #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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          #7

          @ilumium @zendis Schleswig-Holstein is ahead of the game! https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/digitalisierung/linux-plus1

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          • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

            The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

            I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

            #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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            @ilumium @zendis Sounds like the "German federal government" are a bunch of pigeon-brains.

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            • txtx@mastodon.socialT txtx@mastodon.social

              @ilumium @zendis and this is just the German federal government? So it doesn't include regional governments, cities, etc?

              Now imagine how much money all the EU states give to Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, Amazon...

              It's absolutely mind bending, the jobs we could be supporting here in Europe.

              naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #9

              @txtx Some Federal Governments leave these dependencies. Best example is Schleswig-Holstein with Linux and the Fediverse. https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/ministerien-behoerden/I/_startseite/Artikel2026/I/260210_mastodon
              The EU is also preparing more independence, f.e. with Qant and Ecosia cooperating for a European search machine. Other countries are introducing Linux (in France even for parts of the military).
              @ilumium @zendis

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              • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

                I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

                #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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                #10
                @Jan Penfrat and that is only the federal bill for m$. there are 16 länder with m$ bills, practically all municipalities ....

                m$ get much more than only than 500mio € from german administrations ...
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                • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                  Source: https://www.golem.de/news/digitale-souveraenitaet-bund-zahlt-481-millionen-euro-fuer-microsoft-lizenzen-2602-205252.html

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                  #11

                  @ilumium
                  Gibt bestimmt Kickback Zahlungen ...

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                  • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                    The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

                    I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

                    #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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                    #12

                    @ilumium @zendis already did build something to use and share: #openDesk. It incorporates #Nextcloud, #Jitsi, nubus+#Keycloak (Identity Management), openExchange and more.

                    It's not that there is no viable alternative. It's that there is too little will to use it.

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                    • frederik@ohai.socialF frederik@ohai.social

                      @ilumium @zendis already did build something to use and share: #openDesk. It incorporates #Nextcloud, #Jitsi, nubus+#Keycloak (Identity Management), openExchange and more.

                      It's not that there is no viable alternative. It's that there is too little will to use it.

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                      #13

                      @frederik Yes, I know. Do you know what their annual budget is? Hint: it's below €481 million.

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                      • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                        @frederik Yes, I know. Do you know what their annual budget is? Hint: it's below €481 million.

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                        #14

                        @ilumium From what I found it's actually 0€. Which is probably why they (have to) charge a whoppin' 20.000€ per year for the cheapest support plan (hosted on your own servers). Infeasible for anything below 100+ users.

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                        • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                          The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

                          I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

                          #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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                          #15

                          @ilumium @zendis Not only @zendis ...

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                            @ilumium @zendis Sounds like the "German federal government" are a bunch of pigeon-brains.

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                            #16

                            @decebal07 @ilumium @zendis While I appreciate your clear language, I think the list can be extended quite a bit... and then it doesn't seem quite as simple as your statement implies.

                            (Disclaimer: I sure would appreciate these tax funds being appropriated... more sensibly.)

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                            • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                              The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

                              I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

                              #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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                              #17

                              @ilumium @bmacDonald94 @zendis Seems an obvious, quick & easy way to improve “gubbermint” budgeting. #DumpMicrosoft

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                              • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                                The German federal government currently pays €481 million in licensing fees to #Microsoft every year.

                                I'm sure @zendis could build some nice stuff with half the money and make it available for everybody else to re-use.

                                #DigitalSovereignty #DigitalCommons #FOSS

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                                #18

                                @ilumium @zendis Denmark just renewed a Microsoft + cloud deal (MS, AWS, Google) of about 150 million per year over the next 5 years - notably, in a country with less than 1/10th the population of Germany.

                                Pretty sure we can also afford building something better if it can save us that kind of money...

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