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Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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    #20

    @jzb exactly. strip away all the fluff and nonsense from the GenAI sales talk, and their pitch boils down to mere obsession with "productivity" in that special tech-sector way in which nothing is actually produced.

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    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

      annathepiper@mastodon.murkworks.netA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #21

      @jzb The entire "move fast and break things" mindset is what drives QA engineers and SDETs to drink. 😩

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      • benjamineskola@hachyderm.ioB benjamineskola@hachyderm.io

        @ralfmaximus @jzb I always want to defend junior devs against comparisons to AI, but I can also see how the problem arises.

        You can’t just treat a junior dev as cheap labour, they should be seen as an investment — expected to need additional support to begin with, until they gain more experience.

        And so when people say an LLM is like a junior dev I can only assume they’re stuck in this shortsighted mindset, and no wonder it isn’t working out for them. Except this time around the money goes to some US megacorporation and nobody gets any useful experience out of it.

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        #22

        @benjamineskola @jzb

        I've never done that in my career. Went out of my way to hire smart people who wanted to learn, and always tried to nurture them. 8 times out of ten I was rewarded with motivated, loyal people.

        Management above me did not see it that way. To them, hiring was a meat pipeline to solve a problem, and once solved, to be dismissed.

        Major reason I started my own company.

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        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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          #23

          @jzb Tiene toda la razón... Hacer las cosas más rápidamente no es hacerlas mejor. Por ejemplo las técnicas de engorde de pollos, debido a qué las empresas inyectan a las aves con químicos para qué engorden en 48 días, la carne resultante del proceso se hace fea, café y asquerosa. Antiguamente se engordaban en 72 días y a veces un poco más para asegurar la calidad de la carne. ¿Cuál es el resultado de esas desiciones basadas en el egoísmo corporativo?, carne horrible pero más rápida de producir.

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          • madduci@mastodon.socialM madduci@mastodon.social

            @jzb I wish there was more a "Code Quality" guide or guild where people build code at slower pace but in high quality..

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            #24

            @madduci @jzb

            Aviation software, IEEE spec.
            Super expensive.

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            • annathepiper@mastodon.murkworks.netA annathepiper@mastodon.murkworks.net

              @jzb The entire "move fast and break things" mindset is what drives QA engineers and SDETs to drink. 😩

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              #25

              @annathepiper It is nice to have a driver so I can drink... oh, that's probably not what you meant. 😂

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              • turre@mementomori.socialT turre@mementomori.social

                @jzb My thoughts exactly. More of everything, faster and faster, is the last thing the humanity needs. Especially when the ONLY reason behind that push is revenue growth - a term I'm tired sick to my stomach of hearing.

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                #26

                @Turre @jzb

                Revenue growth == cancer.

                Which stops the host by terminating the host.

                See #climatecatastrophe

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                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                  @annathepiper It is nice to have a driver so I can drink... oh, that's probably not what you meant. 😂

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                  #27

                  @jzb lololololol

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                  • mxchara@cyberpunk.lolM mxchara@cyberpunk.lol

                    @jzb exactly. strip away all the fluff and nonsense from the GenAI sales talk, and their pitch boils down to mere obsession with "productivity" in that special tech-sector way in which nothing is actually produced.

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                    #28

                    @mxchara @jzb

                    Yes, but nothing is produced much faster.

                    We had this debate before.
                    When PC was introduced to the business, for years there was no measurable increase in #productivity

                    Red Queen dilemma from "Alice in Wonderland"

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                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                      elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #29

                      @jzb we need more of certain things (poverty reduction, affordable housing, welfare) and less of others (infinite growth mindset, shareholder-first mentality)

                      We are optimising for the wrong incentives

                      The things we need, ChatGPT can’t solve

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                      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                        @jzb we need more of certain things (poverty reduction, affordable housing, welfare) and less of others (infinite growth mindset, shareholder-first mentality)

                        We are optimising for the wrong incentives

                        The things we need, ChatGPT can’t solve

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                        #30

                        @jzb furthermore, I’d go farther and say:

                        We need more *fun.* Desperately. I’d say this is a truly urgent problem. There just isn’t much to do anymore that’s really fun. Games are becoming formulaic. Arcades haven’t been updated in 10 years. Movies are all “enjoy the 899th Spider-Man.” We need more new things, fun things, things that don’t cost a fortune, and ways to make them accessible.

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                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                          #31

                          @jzb Slow Work, to complement Slow Food? But that might mean making less than all of the money!

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                          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                            #32

                            @jzb have some rolling and scritching from Ori and Zeph!

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                            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                              heathen_cat@furs.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #33

                              @jzb
                              Move slowly and fix stuff.

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                              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                #34

                                @jzb The only "do we really need this " movement that has had any traction is the Republican party. They will always think measures meant to enforce equality are being trotted out way too fast. I completely agree with questioning the Siren call of Faster-is-Better-so-STFU. But the last time people said "slow the fuck down" was their creedo, we called them hippies.

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                                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                  jeneralist@mstdn.scienceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #35

                                  @jzb Eli is happy to help.

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                                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                    #36

                                    @jzb There's been a slow food movement for many years.
                                    We should definitely start more slow movements, and no movements!
                                    The less we do, the less impact we have on the planet.

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                                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                      #37

                                      @jzb yep. https://mastodon.social/@hyc/116003219473675065

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                                      • madduci@mastodon.socialM madduci@mastodon.social

                                        @jzb I wish there was more a "Code Quality" guide or guild where people build code at slower pace but in high quality..

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                                        #38

                                        @madduci there's no magic recipe, but caring about what you're doing is a good starting point

                                        @jzb

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                                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                          #39

                                          @jzb @onepict we had slow food and slow others, time for slow business? Business and tech that considers what the world will be like in 50 years and how to get there together

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