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  3. Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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    #29

    @jzb we need more of certain things (poverty reduction, affordable housing, welfare) and less of others (infinite growth mindset, shareholder-first mentality)

    We are optimising for the wrong incentives

    The things we need, ChatGPT can’t solve

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    • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

      @jzb we need more of certain things (poverty reduction, affordable housing, welfare) and less of others (infinite growth mindset, shareholder-first mentality)

      We are optimising for the wrong incentives

      The things we need, ChatGPT can’t solve

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      #30

      @jzb furthermore, I’d go farther and say:

      We need more *fun.* Desperately. I’d say this is a truly urgent problem. There just isn’t much to do anymore that’s really fun. Games are becoming formulaic. Arcades haven’t been updated in 10 years. Movies are all “enjoy the 899th Spider-Man.” We need more new things, fun things, things that don’t cost a fortune, and ways to make them accessible.

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      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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        #31

        @jzb Slow Work, to complement Slow Food? But that might mean making less than all of the money!

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        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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          #32

          @jzb have some rolling and scritching from Ori and Zeph!

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          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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            #33

            @jzb
            Move slowly and fix stuff.

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            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

              ottomate@noc.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #34

              @jzb The only "do we really need this " movement that has had any traction is the Republican party. They will always think measures meant to enforce equality are being trotted out way too fast. I completely agree with questioning the Siren call of Faster-is-Better-so-STFU. But the last time people said "slow the fuck down" was their creedo, we called them hippies.

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              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                jeneralist@mstdn.scienceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                #35

                @jzb Eli is happy to help.

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                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                  #36

                  @jzb There's been a slow food movement for many years.
                  We should definitely start more slow movements, and no movements!
                  The less we do, the less impact we have on the planet.

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                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                    hyc@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #37

                    @jzb yep. https://mastodon.social/@hyc/116003219473675065

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                    • madduci@mastodon.socialM madduci@mastodon.social

                      @jzb I wish there was more a "Code Quality" guide or guild where people build code at slower pace but in high quality..

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                      #38

                      @madduci there's no magic recipe, but caring about what you're doing is a good starting point

                      @jzb

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                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                        craignicol@glasgow.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #39

                        @jzb @onepict we had slow food and slow others, time for slow business? Business and tech that considers what the world will be like in 50 years and how to get there together

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                        • craignicol@glasgow.socialC craignicol@glasgow.social

                          @jzb @onepict we had slow food and slow others, time for slow business? Business and tech that considers what the world will be like in 50 years and how to get there together

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                          #40

                          @craignicol @jzb When I look back at my small business support days, along with Stefanos recent example of a customer not valuing his expertise. I'm reminded of the local builder my parents used to use. He was in his fifties and knew my family as they recommended him.

                          There was a mutual relationship of respect.

                          Which isn't something I've felt from clients as there's always a younger hungrier business.

                          Some clients go from firm to firm and now to AI. The respect was never mutual.

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                          • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

                            @craignicol @jzb When I look back at my small business support days, along with Stefanos recent example of a customer not valuing his expertise. I'm reminded of the local builder my parents used to use. He was in his fifties and knew my family as they recommended him.

                            There was a mutual relationship of respect.

                            Which isn't something I've felt from clients as there's always a younger hungrier business.

                            Some clients go from firm to firm and now to AI. The respect was never mutual.

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                            #41

                            @craignicol @jzb It's funny 40 odd years have past and I still remember that builder's nickname was Stewartie, he'd known me since I was a baby.

                            I'd toddle behind him everywhere being fascinated by the various jobs he and his guys did.

                            It's how I know about the electrician's mouse.

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                            • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

                              @craignicol @jzb It's funny 40 odd years have past and I still remember that builder's nickname was Stewartie, he'd known me since I was a baby.

                              I'd toddle behind him everywhere being fascinated by the various jobs he and his guys did.

                              It's how I know about the electrician's mouse.

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                              #42

                              @onepict @jzb those small businesses still exist. Our plumber, alarm guy, and our chimney sweep are loyal and reliable so we're loyal to them. And the alarm guy inherited some of his clients, including us, from an older guy who retired. That's how it can work, and that's how it should work.

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                              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                #43
                                @jzb yes actually, the mechanisms of capitalism demand ever faster growth. If you want your business to survive, you either need to out-compete your competitors, or be protected by regulation. To beat the competition, you have to be more powerful. You become more powerful by raising more money. And investors put their money where they can expect the most returns. To slow things down, you'd have to reduce competition on a global scale or have some critical resource like oil run out. Note that this does not automatically improve conditions for most people, because markets don't care. Some extra effort would be required for that.
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                                • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                                  @madduci @jzb

                                  Aviation software, IEEE spec.
                                  Super expensive.

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                                  #44

                                  @n_dimension @madduci @jzb I'm on my way to do a software QA survey at a national lab. Three days of reading change requests and asking questions, trying to understand the release process and see how it works in practice. This is a safety analysis code that's been developed for at least 35 years.

                                  I like nuckear safety code. A better class of problems and far fewer Move Fast and Break Things cokeheads.

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                                  • 0x4d6165@transfem.social0 0x4d6165@transfem.social

                                    @jzb@hachyderm.io degrowth 🙂

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                                    #45

                                    @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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                                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                      #46

                                      @jzb the slower the cook
                                      the better the taste

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                                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                        #47

                                        @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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                                        • ohyran@social.piewpiew.seO ohyran@social.piewpiew.se

                                          @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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                                          #48

                                          @jzb I mean its not LLM vs ODS or anything, both can be crap ofc.

                                          I'm just amazed by the shocked faces of economists who are surprised a national economy can suddenly backpedal when all thats really happening is crap like "Dave's car can't be repaired", "Mika's house modifications will take four years extra" because they see people as companies, isolated and contained.

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