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Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

    @madduci @jzb

    Aviation software, IEEE spec.
    Super expensive.

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    #44

    @n_dimension @madduci @jzb I'm on my way to do a software QA survey at a national lab. Three days of reading change requests and asking questions, trying to understand the release process and see how it works in practice. This is a safety analysis code that's been developed for at least 35 years.

    I like nuckear safety code. A better class of problems and far fewer Move Fast and Break Things cokeheads.

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    • 0x4d6165@transfem.social0 0x4d6165@transfem.social

      @jzb@hachyderm.io degrowth 🙂

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      #45

      @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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        #46

        @jzb the slower the cook
        the better the taste

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        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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          #47

          @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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          • ohyran@social.piewpiew.seO ohyran@social.piewpiew.se

            @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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            #48

            @jzb I mean its not LLM vs ODS or anything, both can be crap ofc.

            I'm just amazed by the shocked faces of economists who are surprised a national economy can suddenly backpedal when all thats really happening is crap like "Dave's car can't be repaired", "Mika's house modifications will take four years extra" because they see people as companies, isolated and contained.

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            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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              #49

              @jzb And while we’re at it touchscreens can go to hell as well.

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              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                #50

                @jzb Must have hypergrowth.

                The rich got leverage to eliminate. They already took those bonds up to 2060, and need to make 1000% returns.

                It’s all debt. All of it. Debt, upon debt, upon debt.

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                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                  #51

                  @jzb
                  Definately think the 'does this need to be done' movement would be a good thing. Everyone might actually get the 3 day week that was talked about decades ago!!

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                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                    #52

                    @jzb HOLY WORDS !

                    "I reply you with this" .. it's been all already said long ago .. but "we never learn" ..

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Way

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                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                      #53

                      @jzb you. I like you.

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                      • multisn8@donotsta.reM multisn8@donotsta.re

                        @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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                        #54

                        @multisn8@donotsta.re @jzb@hachyderm.io ooo I'll add it to my list

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                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                          #55

                          @jzb @AndrewHenry Preach!

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                          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                            #56

                            @jzb @sidawson I use them not so much to get things done *faster* but more to get things done *at all*. As coding assistants, they are far better than any human I ever met.

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                            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                              #57

                              @jzb Hard agree. https://www.davidtoddmccarty.com/the-slow-news-movement/

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                              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                #58

                                @jzb Good news, other people have been critical of the rate of technological progress.

                                https://permacomputing.net
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocriticism

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                                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                  #59

                                  @jzb @imaginaryuncle Quality, creativity, and accuracy beat quantity in my world.

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                                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                    #60

                                    @jzb agree, but also dogs

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                                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                      #61

                                      @jzb the slow food movement from decades ago predicted this mess, countered - and pretty sure they all had cats

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                                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                        #62

                                        @jzb here is a cat.

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                                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                          #63

                                          @jzb
                                          I feel the same.

                                          Yet if the competition ships features faster, attracts customers and gets more revenue, leading to revenue problems at one's employer, eventually having to let people go; I can see why it seems prudent to to also increase velocity.

                                          The positive and negative effects of increased velocity come at different time scales, so one might have to accept a bad future in order to have one at all?

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