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Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • 0x4d6165@transfem.social0 0x4d6165@transfem.social

    @jzb@hachyderm.io degrowth 🙂

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    #45

    @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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      #46

      @jzb the slower the cook
      the better the taste

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      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

        ohyran@social.piewpiew.seO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #47

        @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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        • ohyran@social.piewpiew.seO ohyran@social.piewpiew.se

          @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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          #48

          @jzb I mean its not LLM vs ODS or anything, both can be crap ofc.

          I'm just amazed by the shocked faces of economists who are surprised a national economy can suddenly backpedal when all thats really happening is crap like "Dave's car can't be repaired", "Mika's house modifications will take four years extra" because they see people as companies, isolated and contained.

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          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

            retrosponge@kind.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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            #49

            @jzb And while we’re at it touchscreens can go to hell as well.

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            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

              gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
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              gimulnautti@mastodon.green
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              #50

              @jzb Must have hypergrowth.

              The rich got leverage to eliminate. They already took those bonds up to 2060, and need to make 1000% returns.

              It’s all debt. All of it. Debt, upon debt, upon debt.

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              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                obsceneanthroposene@ieji.deO This user is from outside of this forum
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                obsceneanthroposene@ieji.de
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                #51

                @jzb
                Definately think the 'does this need to be done' movement would be a good thing. Everyone might actually get the 3 day week that was talked about decades ago!!

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                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                  #52

                  @jzb HOLY WORDS !

                  "I reply you with this" .. it's been all already said long ago .. but "we never learn" ..

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Way

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                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                    starry_dreamer@kolektiva.social
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                    #53

                    @jzb you. I like you.

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                    • multisn8@donotsta.reM multisn8@donotsta.re

                      @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

                      0x4d6165@transfem.social0 This user is from outside of this forum
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                      0x4d6165@transfem.social
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                      #54

                      @multisn8@donotsta.re @jzb@hachyderm.io ooo I'll add it to my list

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                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                        imaginaryuncle@masto.nuI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #55

                        @jzb @AndrewHenry Preach!

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                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                          zkarj@mastodon.nzZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #56

                          @jzb @sidawson I use them not so much to get things done *faster* but more to get things done *at all*. As coding assistants, they are far better than any human I ever met.

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                          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                            dtm@mastodon.ccD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #57

                            @jzb Hard agree. https://www.davidtoddmccarty.com/the-slow-news-movement/

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                            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                              felinekindamaow@furry.engineerF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #58

                              @jzb Good news, other people have been critical of the rate of technological progress.

                              https://permacomputing.net
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocriticism

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                              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                mlanger@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                mlanger@mastodon.world
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                                #59

                                @jzb @imaginaryuncle Quality, creativity, and accuracy beat quantity in my world.

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                                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                  abetterjulie@wandering.shopA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #60

                                  @jzb agree, but also dogs

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                                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                    matwright@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #61

                                    @jzb the slow food movement from decades ago predicted this mess, countered - and pretty sure they all had cats

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                                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                      nancyjane@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      nancyjane@mastodon.social
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                                      #62

                                      @jzb here is a cat.

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                                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

                                        martin_ueding@bonn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        martin_ueding@bonn.social
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                                        #63

                                        @jzb
                                        I feel the same.

                                        Yet if the competition ships features faster, attracts customers and gets more revenue, leading to revenue problems at one's employer, eventually having to let people go; I can see why it seems prudent to to also increase velocity.

                                        The positive and negative effects of increased velocity come at different time scales, so one might have to accept a bad future in order to have one at all?

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                                        • nancyjane@mastodon.socialN nancyjane@mastodon.social

                                          @jzb here is a cat.

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                                          #64

                                          @nancyjane That's a very nice cat.

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