Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
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because a shit sandwich is not improved upon by having a shit sandwich caked in vomit
this is obvious to most people but some want to learn the hard way
the idea is to improve our world but we are unfortunately handicapped by idiots who believe in simple solutions to complex problems offered by con artists
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i don't know how much of a historian you are, but would you consider the arc of the last 1,000 years to be slow difficult improvement, with backsliding at times, or stasis?
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i don't know how much of a historian you are, but would you consider the arc of the last 1,000 years to be slow difficult improvement, with backsliding at times, or stasis?
I’m quite enough of a historian to tell that this thread was all about so called “democratic” elections that were hardly a thing in the vast majority of the last millenium.
Demagoguery about how “we” could have everything improved if not all these idiots with their own opinion is pathetic.
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@randahl in the Netherlands cities are typically more left wing, more green, (Berlin and Paris are also more progressive for sure), but am I correct seeing the opposite (M is the 'moderate' party that wanted to work with the extreme right, right?) in Stockholm? Malmö area is even SD territory?
@murb @randahl M did already work with SD for the past four years. But SD didn’t have ministers in the cabinet. Now they have been promised cabinet positions if they win the election.
Why people in the cities vote for M is probably because there are more rich people there, and those who think they are rich. House prices in the cities are very high, and many apparently feel that property taxes are a bigger threat than the fall of civilisation.
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I’m quite enough of a historian to tell that this thread was all about so called “democratic” elections that were hardly a thing in the vast majority of the last millenium.
Demagoguery about how “we” could have everything improved if not all these idiots with their own opinion is pathetic.
well that's a fascinating strawman but my question to you was if you think progress is real or not. by your nonanswer i will assume you think it is real but did not want to concede that point. one stinky bit of cynicism at a time please. try to engage on a point in a conversation rather than wander to another without addressing the first, and then you might find the cognitive coherence to say something useful on these topics
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
@randahl ”It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.”
This is the basis of ”let them govern and people will see how bad they are”, but that is little comfort after they’ve destroyed society.
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well that's a fascinating strawman but my question to you was if you think progress is real or not. by your nonanswer i will assume you think it is real but did not want to concede that point. one stinky bit of cynicism at a time please. try to engage on a point in a conversation rather than wander to another without addressing the first, and then you might find the cognitive coherence to say something useful on these topics
> by your nonanswer i will assume
Fantastic! Keep discussing with bugs in your head.
> one stinky bit of cynicism at a time please
Not granted.
> try to engage on a point in a conversation
Try to stop telling me how I should behave and maybe then I would start to treat you as someone worth to talk to.
> then you might find the cognitive coherence to say something useful on these topics
Unfortunately, that’s unlikely would work for you.
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> by your nonanswer i will assume
Fantastic! Keep discussing with bugs in your head.
> one stinky bit of cynicism at a time please
Not granted.
> try to engage on a point in a conversation
Try to stop telling me how I should behave and maybe then I would start to treat you as someone worth to talk to.
> then you might find the cognitive coherence to say something useful on these topics
Unfortunately, that’s unlikely would work for you.
"Keep discussing with bugs in your head."
i stopped reading here. it is not my belief that you live in my head
i asked you a question and you ignored it
so are you trolling for whimsy or is this just the nature of your character?
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
@randahl At first it looks like good news. But I read, that they lost, because they toned down a bit and now were not extreme enough anymore for parts of their voters?
So it's not really good news. -
@murb @randahl M did already work with SD for the past four years. But SD didn’t have ministers in the cabinet. Now they have been promised cabinet positions if they win the election.
Why people in the cities vote for M is probably because there are more rich people there, and those who think they are rich. House prices in the cities are very high, and many apparently feel that property taxes are a bigger threat than the fall of civilisation.
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
In the Netherlands we just lost a year of government with far right Geert Wilders. One year of political infighting and nonsense without any progress and then he pulled the plug…
The far right can only protest and will never deliver, and that is by design… let us keep it that way. Because make no mistake, they are even prepared to break the democratic principles to arrive and stay at power. We have seen what happened when Hitler came to power. Total destruction...
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
@randahl Although I hope you are right, and is as far as it gets, I do feel the need to nuance the optimism a bit.
Swedish politcal culture these days is a bit to found of blocks and tactical voting. Before summer the ”Liberal” party (L) where polling at around 1.5%. This was far below the 4% threshold they needed to pass to stay in parlament.
Now the final results are not in yet, but it looks to me like their last minute +3% gain matches the -3% loss you mention.
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"Keep discussing with bugs in your head."
i stopped reading here. it is not my belief that you live in my head
i asked you a question and you ignored it
so are you trolling for whimsy or is this just the nature of your character?
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@randahl At first it looks like good news. But I read, that they lost, because they toned down a bit and now were not extreme enough anymore for parts of their voters?
So it's not really good news.@diekenbrock Nah. If anything they’ve escalated after more mainstream parties started mimicking then. Going from stopping people at the border to sending ”back” those who are already here (including kids who grew up here).
The real risk here is the center-left doing to little in the upcoming four years, and then having the resurge in 2030 (or earlier in case of a government crisis leading to a snap election).
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
@randahl the left will now have to try to clean up the mess and that will be costly which will anger people who will then vote right again, and the right will continue to play the fiddle while Rome burns and leave the bill to the left the next time around which starts the cycle over. The pendulum swings will only become greater until something breaks.
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
@randahl do you live in Sweden? Can you tell me what is the leftist name?
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Very interesting election result from Sweden where on Sunday, the right wing populists of Sverigedemokraterne lost 3 percentage points reducing their seats in parliament from 73 to 62.
Four years ago, SD grew large enough to become a support party for the right wing government.
It is the same story all over Europe: Every time right wing populists grow large enough to become influential, people realize they cannot deliver.
Loud is not better.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/politik/valet-2026-sverige-rostar-se-grafiken/
What is interesting is that SD are loosing ground everywhere, on national level (Riksdagen/parliament), regional level and on the municipal level. Everywhere I have checked in the country they are loosing voters. I would like to see them loose more, and that we would have a larger red-green victory. However, their narrative that they are always gaining and are "true" representatives of the people is broken.
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@randahl as a French right wing politician once said: “Politicians’ promises are binding only on those who believe them”
@FrancoisPrague that is amusing. Can I ask who said that?
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@randahl Hopefully this is going to happen everywhere - still not sure how much it takes until the blue voters here in Germany realize this. It isn't that much time left until you won't be able to fix things anymore...
@hrafnagud personally, I hope the US midterms will be a major victory for the opposition, changing the global outlook for democracy, also influencing German politics.
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@FrancoisPrague that is amusing. Can I ask who said that?
@randahl Charles Pasqua … a mafia-politician as we called in back in the days. Nowadays he would be labelled “controversial” lol
