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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?

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  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

    Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

    felipecerda@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #19

    @EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?

    uint8_t@chaos.socialU uncycliste@hostux.socialU 2 Replies Last reply
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    • phillip@social.cologneP phillip@social.cologne

      @webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.

      nico@mastodon.puffer.fishN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #20

      @phillip @webjac @EUCommission "the market" is EU's entire raison d'être, and the reason why they apply such stupid ruling

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      • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

        @webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you're saying could make sense

        however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems

        lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #21

        @webjac @EUCommission would also say that what apple is doing undermines the free market. without interoperability, companies can themselves restrict the market

        it's not only government regulations that can go against free market, the companies themselves can

        (this doesn't mean i think the free market is a good idea, btw. i am opposed to capitalism as a whole. but if i were forced to think in a more capitalist way, this is what i would say)

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        • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

          @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

          You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

          let the market choose on its own.

          makeithappen5634@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #22

          @webjac @EUCommission are you dumb ?

          it's their job to protect consumer from those predatory move, so your own post is useless.

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          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

            @webjac @EUCommission

            That's a lot of words to say that you don't know what a 'free market' actually is. Hint: it's not the same as an unregulated market and, in general, unregulated markets are rarely free markets.

            makeithappen5634@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #23

            @david_chisnall @webjac @EUCommission it's a lot of words to say that you don't understand the concept of free market.

            Monopoly behaviors that Apple and Google do is not "free market", as they prevent it to self regulate.

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            • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

              @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

              You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

              let the market choose on its own.

              mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #24

              @webjac
              Oh, don't mind me. I'm just here for the ratio... 🍿

              @EUCommission

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                #25

                @Germo @EUCommission I agree, the spirit is fine. But I'm choosing by choosing to buy their (limited) product. let them offer it the way they want to and the market will vote with their wallet. Regulators are not needed here.

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                • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                  @webjac @EUCommission Yeah, that's not how regulations work bub.

                  It's our choice if we want to buy food laced with lead and cadmium, if I want to its my choice! /s

                  Apple *could* have met the EUs regulations, they chose not to out of contempt for all Europeans because they don't want to be regulated, full stop.

                  The cult of Apple is almost as stomach turning as the cult of Elon.

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                  #26

                  @Javensbukan @EUCommission That's the problem. In this case the regulation is not needed from my point of view. We can differ on that of course

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                  • felipecerda@mastodon.socialF felipecerda@mastodon.social

                    @EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?

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                    #27

                    @felipecerda @EUCommission the APIs that Siri AI is using, are not available to 3rd party vendors

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                    • felipecerda@mastodon.socialF felipecerda@mastodon.social

                      @EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?

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                      #28

                      @felipecerda @EUCommission you can replace Gemini by Perplexity and ChatGPT on Android. Not Mistral yet

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                      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                        Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

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                        #29

                        @EUCommission

                        Apple's endgame is never to comply with the EU Commission, but rather wait for enough people to complain to the EU Commission to change the rules.

                        That is the endgame.

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                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                          Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                          zsolt@mastodon.decoding.ioZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #30

                          @EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.

                          As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.

                          tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloudT mr_harm@mastodon.socialM algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.clubA petrikas@mastodon.artP 4 Replies Last reply
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                          • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                            @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                            You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                            let the market choose on its own.

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                            #31

                            @webjac @EUCommission 100% wrong. It is precisely the job of the EU to regulate. Did you miss the point? Apple chose not to introduce the feature in the EU. Not the EU.

                            Pay attention to the last sentence too.

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                            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                              Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                              vmachiel@mastodon.nlV This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #32

                              @EUCommission @stroughtonsmith gruber in shambles

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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                                vitor@hachyderm.ioV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #33

                                @EUCommission Please provide complete sources when posting videos.

                                It makes it easier to talk about and share them. Not every video needs to be a short bad crop of the original source for phones.

                                https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/media/video/I-290903

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                                • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                                  @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                                  You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                                  let the market choose on its own.

                                  renard@equestria.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #34

                                  @webjac @EUCommission you are being disingenuous. Or very naive.

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                                  • phillip@social.cologneP phillip@social.cologne

                                    @webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.

                                    rzeta0@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #35

                                    @phillip @webjac @EUCommission

                                    Phillip

                                    People do not have to buy apple - it is a luxury segment of the market.

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                                    • ombligoelemento@neopaquita.esO ombligoelemento@neopaquita.es

                                      @webjac @EUCommission That’s exactly the point, to be able to have the choice to select which AI we get to use on our devices, and if Siri is actually the best and the most privacy focused, people will choose it. This time, Apple is not allowing people to make that choice. They are actively limiting features to a whole region to keep their control over their products, like they have already done with iPhone mirroring, for example.

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                                      #36

                                      @Ombligoelemento @webjac @EUCommission

                                      they can choose not to buy the luxury apple brand

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                                      • zsolt@mastodon.decoding.ioZ zsolt@mastodon.decoding.io

                                        @EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.

                                        As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.

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                                        #37

                                        @zsolt@mastodon.decoding.io @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu @gklka@mastodon.social oh no, EU is protecting customers. How could they!?

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                                        • tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloudT tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                                          @zsolt@mastodon.decoding.io @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu @gklka@mastodon.social oh no, EU is protecting customers. How could they!?

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                                          #38

                                          @tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka What are we protecting with these overcomplicated rules that end up in annoying cookie alerts at the end? Are we forcing “interoperability” on customers who clearly don’t care? I’ll buy an Android phone if I want interoperability and replaceable services.

                                          benroyce@mastodon.socialB madmonkey@mastodon.unoM tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloudT U 4 Replies Last reply
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