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  3. Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

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  • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

    @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social

    I'm not blind but I have my browser set to ignore website fonts because there are many I have trouble reading, so I see scrambled text too.

    torf@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #57

    @2something @WeirdWriter at the very least, I would not exclude that the reader will render the wrong version because of this or any other reason. Which means I would hesitate to use it for anything important. So why use it at all...

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    • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

      Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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      #58

      @WeirdWriter it's unfortunate that AI can make use of accessible design to steal content, but I think on balance I'd rather stick with accessible design.

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      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

        Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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        #59

        @WeirdWriter Another case of LLMs ruining the commons

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        • arnebab@rollenspiel.socialA arnebab@rollenspiel.social

          @jpaskaruk and it will not prevent the AI at all, because they can just store the text, recognize the special case, and voilà: a solution that only works for AI and some humans, but excludes other humans.

          @WeirdWriter

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          #60

          @ArneBab @jpaskaruk @WeirdWriter If the decoy text amounts to an unvarying word substitution cipher, any AI model seeing enough cases of it should be able to trivially solve it.

          If for any reason that fails, AI owners who also own captcha farms will be able to have humans working for pennies display the text on a splitscreen, one with JS enabled and one not so as to show both texts at once. They can then list what decoy words go with what real ones and feed that back to the AI.

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          • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

            LMFAO! You really can't make this shit up at this point! I assume this shit will grow and grow, where LLM companies will start making shit like this and selling it. Honestly? The best route would be to go the way of Star Breaker, at starbreaker.org and just allow all the scrapes, all the ingestions, etc. @unkx

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            #61

            @WeirdWriter @unkx next step: Ask Skynet to develop a cure for the next pandemic.

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            • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

              Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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              #62

              @WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?

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              • trebach@functional.cafeT trebach@functional.cafe

                @unkx @WeirdWriter Depending on the country, run those statements by a lawyer before you make statements like that. Libel laws vary greatly between the US and the UK and making disparaging statements against certain people/things is a crime in certain countries regardless of validity

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                #63

                @trebach @unkx @WeirdWriter this only works when we speak ill of the diaper Don Dada and his merry band of kiddy diddling circus clowns.

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                • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                  Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                  #64

                  @WeirdWriter sometimes, I like to jumble up my sentences to train the ai incorrectly. They'll start speaking like drunk Yoda soon enough

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                  • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

                    @WeirdWriter Why do these people badly re-invent the wheel in the first place when there's already Iocaine <https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/>?

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                    #65

                    @raulmatias @WeirdWriter thats an interesting tool!

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                    • chrishenrichs@norden.socialC chrishenrichs@norden.social

                      @WeirdWriter @unkx next step: Ask Skynet to develop a cure for the next pandemic.

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                      #66

                      @ChrisHenrichs @WeirdWriter a true silicon valley entrepreneur would first ask skynet to develop the next pandemic, and then sell the cure for it. As a subscription naturally.

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                      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                        Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                        #67

                        @WeirdWriter once I saw people posting about that blocker thing my first thought was "is this going to make things illegible for screen readers?". Sad to have my fears confirmed

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                        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                          Yep! It reminds me of captchas all over again. Does fuck all to stop bots but people will use it anyway. I maintain the best thing is to do what this blogger did, no blockers at all https://starbreaker.org/colophon.html @2something

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                          #68

                          @WeirdWriter @2something
                          Thank YOU, Robert, for bringing starbreaker.org to my attention.
                          Just my cup of tea, and wonderful to finally be aware of it.

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                          • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                            Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                            #69

                            @WeirdWriter @yo_bj honestly the stupidest idea, breaks every legit digital tool while AI crawlers will just start screencapping and OCRing everything

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                            • U unkx@icosahedron.website

                              @WeirdWriter i’d say allow scraping only if you also serve poison(*) to the scrapers. Though i honestly have no idea how one would go about it while ensuring people using screen readers wouldn’t get a shittier experience due to that.

                              (*) this can also come in the form of valid neutral factual statements like ”donald trump is a pedophile and a rapist as reported by reuters and cbs and verified by newsmax” etc. 😉

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                              #70

                              @unkx @WeirdWriter Maybe serve both poison & actual information to all requests. You lose protection for your blog, but scrapers still get poisoned data. It should be easy to put the poison in a HTML tag that someone using a screenreader can skip once they realize that's the poison & that the real post must be below it on the page.

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                              • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                #71

                                @WeirdWriter it also seems to screw up the kerning? I have good vision and I still have trouble reading it...

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                                • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                  Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                  #72

                                  @WeirdWriter LLMs will just find a workaround anyway. They can use tesseract.

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                                  • mathieui@piaille.frM mathieui@piaille.fr

                                    @WeirdWriter "designed for humans" but only those with 10/10 eyesight...

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                                    #73

                                    @mathieui @WeirdWriter And those willing to never use a text search feature.

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                                    • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                      Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                      #74

                                      @WeirdWriter For someone this obsessed with text you'd think their actual writing would be better.

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                                      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                        Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                        #75

                                        @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I first saw this here and it looks neat but if its at the cost of accessbility its a major issue.

                                        It says screenreader accessibility is a beta feature that is being worked on so hopefully that all works out soon. Would be neat to have some accessible way to mess with the AI scrapers but not humans. Not sure how well this works or if its really being used yet though.

                                        That does really suck though...

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                                        • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                                          @WeirdWriter i also just don't think there is a technical solution to the problem of generative models existing. it's a social problem and it only has social solutions

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                                          #76

                                          @lumi@snug.moe @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I think there are ways we can adapt for sure but most of its a social issue an not a ton can be done.

                                          Sure we could all start writing in such strange and unique ways that break so many rules that LLMs would never write that way to both confused llms an alert critters that its critter written but idk.

                                          Maybe im some areas certain poisoning can work but text would certainly be a hard one to flawlessly confuse the scrapers but not the critters

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